Just for giggles... Where are you at the mo?

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Next steps for Brexit...

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  1. DEETEE

    DEETEE Well-Known Member

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    The pret thing relates to a woman on question time whos sole remit for remaining was who made her latte.

    The skiing example is those who seem to think freedom of movement entitles them to go on holiday and removing it would prevent this.

    Until a few years ago I suspect that alot of people were naive about the Eu and its intentions.

    With the increased profile of social media theres the increased scrutiny of the same.
    Information and facts (not always 100% accruate) became more available hence the large percentage of the population wanting out.

    As for media soundbites... well thats another thing that swings both ways.

    Theres that 3 second clip of boris being told to leave wakefield and it is now a poster child for those who want him out.
    Yet the full segment on look north suggested a equal if not a more postive response to him.

    Secondly, theres the issue over a trade deal with trump.
    Loads of soundbites over the chicken... yet none about the South American beef which is part of the EU/south america trade agreement...

    Its very much people see and hear what they want to hear.

    Both sides of the coin.
     
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    The good thing is that this droning bilge is now going to drag on while January. Hooray
     
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    It does make it more difficult - not one of the more significant reasons but for example many UK residents use ski chalets run by UK based companies. These are usually staffed by British chalet girls (and boys). Once Freedom of movement is ended this model will encounter some issues and at the very least add a layer of bureaucracy as all the staff will need work permits. For sure it will add to the cost. Also if you drive like I do you need to get an international driving licence - apply for a green card a month in advance (no more last minute trips as you need to specify the dates of travel on the card). lose reciprocal insurance arrangements in the even of an accident. Of course it will still be possible to go skiing - but it is likely to make it more expensive and difficult.
    Also we are likely to lose the free call roaming we currently enjoy. In the grand scheme of things these are fairly trivial but they are more valid than someone voting leave to get a blue passport or to send the immigrants from India and Pakistan back
     
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    Only if the EU agree to an extension - which is not certain
     
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    We have friends who live in Ashford, Kent. They drive to Germany most weekends for the football (Fortuna Dusseldorf season tickets). Even after lots of enquiries they don't know what extra documents they will need to carry on doing this.

    In addition to this, they live next to a section of the A20 (and nearby M20) which is going to be used as a lorry park in case of any hold ups. They are thinking of missing the match on November 3rd (against biggest rivals Cologne) because they don't know if they will be able to get back to their house if there are the expected hold ups. Again, this is due to not being able to get any information or assurances from the authorities.
     
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    Eurospectic politicians and newspapers are fond of referring to the officials of the European Union as ‘unelected bureaucrats’ or ‘eurocrats’, suggesting that these unaccountable officials make decisions that affect our lives.

    In fact, the EU is run democratically by two bodies:

    • the Council of the EU — a regular get-together of government ministers from each of the EU member states;
    • the European Parliament — an assembly of 751 directly-elected MEPs representing their constituencies.
    A third body, the European Commission consists of over 30,000 civil servants whose job is to administer EU laws. It is overseen by 28 Commissioners, one nominated by each member state.

    While it is technically correct that the Commission’s civil servants are “unelected bureaucrats”, the same is true of all civil servants everywhere.


    So you would expect the one commissioner nominated by the UK to look after our interests ... as the other's look after theirs. Leading to consensus, which isn't a bad thing in my book.
     
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    And that’s exactly what freedom of movement is... movement of cheap labour. An English company shipping English workers overseas and paying them **** all.

    What’s a Chalet Host pay?

    6-700 quid a month?

    Less travel insurance, less any deductions for equipment hire/lift passes even if subsidised.

    For a 50 hours a week as a minimum. With very little in terms job security holidays, etc

    So three or four quid an hour... at best.


    I suspect and I think I won’t be too far from the mark, it’s cheaper to have British chalet staff than recruit train local staff and have your operations based in the slopes.

    If it puts the cost up to import these staff then good. Less people applying for the role the more they have to offer to recruit to cover the shortfall.

    Or train locals to do the same role.

    Or ideally, both.

    As for roaming charges, neither EE or O2 have at this juncture any intention of introducing them after the UK leaves...
     
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    Seriously? Every incorrect point you made was corrected for you by other people and you accuse other folks of not reading/understanding?
     
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    Apart from the fact you are wrong on chalet staff. They are all employed on French contracts these days and subject to minimum wage and working time directive etc. On of the main perks is for non locals they get a chance to ski for several hours each day locals would in general be far less interested in living in a chalet with a load of tourists, though there is absolutely nothing stopping them from doing it. The current system is beneficial for all. The staff get cheap skiing and a great social life. The guests get well cared for and good value for money and the local economy gets a big influx of tourists. No one has complained. There is no feeling that the locals jobs are being taken away. In fact the opposite. Your last point about the fact they will need to pay more doesn’t work. If the prices go up significantly it will just kill demand and everyone loses. It already happened in Switzerland where a law of unintended consequences aimed at preventing cheap labour for construction work applied to things like chalet and hotel staff, and just killed the chalet holiday market overnight
     

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