Just one thing. Stop blaming Davey FFS!!!

"how many of you would've been blaming Davey if we'd have been 10th after this match?"

We're not 10th though are we.

 

I blame Derek Parker for that one...

Quote Parker: "We need to bring Colace on"...

 

No Jay, we are not 10th - but that's due to the players, not Davey.

Missed penalties; missed open goals; dreadful defensive errors.

Who really is to blame pal?

 

RE: No Jay, we are not 10th - but that's due to the players, not Davey.

The fool who signed them all.

 

Who signs, trains, picks and directs the players?

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&quot;Stop blaming Davey&quot; my arse.</p>

 

RE: No Jay, we are not 10th - but that's due to the players, not Davey.

no need for a team manager then?

 

cmon

it is the fault of davey and the players but the buck stops wi Davey. all teams make mistakes, some less than others. better teams than us get points even with those mistakes.

 

RE: Who signs, trains, picks and directs the players?

Davey has to take a lot of responsibility for the position we are in. But blaming him for every single individual mistake the players make is ridiculous. If JCR hadn't missed the penalty last Saturday and Muller hadn't had a brain storm today, we would be safe now with knobs on. And a totally different tune would be being sung at the moment on this board.

 

Windy - another quality, stunning statement from yourself.

Just what I'd expect from the all seeing, all doing, all knowledgable God of this board.

Bravo old chap, bravo.

Tell me this Mr Wind - who should Simon Davey have brought in on a shoestring budget? Hmmm? What should be done to improve the quality of training of the players?

This club has suffered, and suffered big time over the years. We've had managers, that haven't been deemed good enough. Let's go through a few:

Steve Parkin - now assisting at Hull City.
Paul Hart - now in charge of Portsmouth.

These, amongst other assistant managers, have been let go and gone on to manage bigger clubs. If these guys are good enough to manage Premiership clubs, then why the **** weren't they good enough to manage a smalltime Championship club by the name of Barnsley FC?

Hey? Why? **** sake...Get a grip on proceedings.

 

lol - soz like - ive been more than restrained on Davey bashin (resoned argument just for you)

end of season we need to say tarra... nuff said.

I just cant agree with you Poet.

Heres a reasoned argument for you.

We have some quality players. Enough quality players to have finished far far away from where we are now. They are being totally mismanaged.

With a half decent manager who knew what he was doing we would not be in this position.

Look at the midfield:

Colace, Anderson, JCR Hammil

They would walk into any championship team.

Moore, Foster, Kozluk

Again would walk into most championship teams.

We have a quality utility player in Hassell and he again would walk into most sides.

The simple fact of the matter is Davey has completely and utterly failed to fetch in the correct strikers. This, along with tinkering with the team (i..e trying to play JCR as the next brian howard) has totally nulified our biggest threats. He is hoping to contain teams and sneak points.

Well its completely blown him out of the water.

We are no in a position where he has to try and attack but again he has done this with the wrong tactics.

He has ruined what COULD be a great team.

Is that reasoned enough for you?

PS: Dont call me a tosspot. No need for personal insults.

 

RE: No Jay, we are not 10th - but that's due to the players, not Davey.

But when they do well they're hailed as great players, when they make mistakes it's Davey's fault, not the player themselves</p>

I don't quite get that.
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RE: No Jay, we are not 10th - but that's due to the players, not Davey.

Ultimately, the manager. He signs, trains and picks the players and decides the tactics.

Not that I think today was a bad result. I'd take a point away from home for any match. Nor have I banged on about Davey's failings. I personally don't believe he is as bad as most people on here paint him. However, he is ultimately responsible for where we finish in the league table. If we do well he should take the plaudits. If we struggle, like we are doing, then he has to take the flack.

 

You can only make so many mistakes...

Pretty much, the same team that took to the field against Chelsea and Liverpool last season, has took to the field this season. Stop blaming the manager, it's the players, and the day, and the attitude of which they take onto the field.

There isn't much the manager can do, other than give them a bollocking, and try, just try to make them realise that they are playing for a very, very good pay packet and for thousands of fans that hold Barnsley FC in their heart. These players are old enough to know what to do out on that pitch, they are - so don't come the 'Who's training them BS'...They've already been trained - the only thing they can take on board is fresh tactics, and from then, it's on them to do the business - NO ONE else. In the same sense, the fans can take the blame for not singing loud enough at home; blaming Davey for everything is just ludicrous.

 

Fair point Jay, fair point.

But those players out on that pitch KNOW how to play football, they've learnt their trade, NOT through Simon Davey, but from others, as they were growing. The only thing they can take from the managment team, is the morale boosting talks, the tactics etc and put that to use, from the best of their abilities - if they can't do that, then their is something wrong.

Davey has to take the blame for some things, but what about the rest of the managers that have taken over this club since Danny Wilson - what chance HAVE they been given? Not much. We're still living in the dreamworld. We aren't a Premiership club. We aren't a BIG club FFS! We aren't! We really, really aren't! So stop thinking that we are. What good will sacking Davey do? It's those players out on that pitch, that are earning more in a week, than we are in a month that need to realise; we need to get some WORK done.

 

you're getting my argument wrong

is SD culpable? yes. as the manager he is responsible. you take the plaudits when things go well, you take the crap when it doesn't

our players are also responsible and the league table doesn't lie. do i still want him in charge? still yes..... just

 

RE: Who signs, trains, picks and directs the players?

I don't blame him for every single mistake the players make. Idon't know anyone who does. I blame him for the fact that the inevitable mistakes aren't balanced out by competent performances.

 

Don't get too wound up poet

windy doe's not go to any bfc games

 

exactly what i've been trying to say

but s omehow haven't

 

RE: Who signs, trains, picks and directs the players?

You must be joking. There's a huge hullabulloo against Davey on here even when someone scores 288 miles away from where he is standing. It's a wonder he hasn't been blamed for the state of the economy and global warming as well.

 

Sorry for the tosspot remark; I apologise.

I'm sorry, but those players should be able to play football together. If you can't see that, then you're an idiot.

It's like when pundits say that Steven Gerrard and Frank Lampard 'Just can't play together'...errrm, I'm sorry, but if two players, who are playing in the Premier league, earning a combined £270,000 est a week can't play fecking football together, then there is something wrong. Oh, wait a second, bring in one of the best managers in the world, Fabio Capello, surely now, they can play together???

It's ludicrous mate. Money talks; the players aren't bothered any more; all they are bothered about is collecting their paychecks, and really, who can blame them???