Keith's Record (Updated)

Isn't the key 'stat' that we aren't in the relegation places so if the season ended now we wouldn't go down, and if we continue our current points per game ratio we won't go down based on previous season's 'stats'?

 

But those managers are all employed by other clubs

 

Try getting either of them to sign a contract as manager of BFC...

 

Stats are 100% accurate I'm afraid. All information is in the public domain so have a look for yourself and verify them if you like.

 

I didn't say we could get them as manager. I just said they would do better than Hill on a small budget.

 

What about the stat that we aren't in the bottom 3? Or are you choosing to ignore that insignificant stat?

 

Totally agree with that Mike. Without deeper changes at the club any manager would be set for a struggle. My major concern is that of all our managers we have had in the Championship Keef is the only one who didn't earn enough points to actually keep us up, it was another clubs financial irregularities that saved us in the end (that is another discussion entirely I know, but on bare facts it is true). He is looking to do something this season he hasn't done yet IMO (I am sure in his own mind he will be aware of it). We play some lovely stuff under him but we are pi$$ poor at scoring goals. I am praying that the missing players can correct it.

 

No it's not a fact, it's your opinion just as my opinion is that Hill is the best manager we can attract and nobody would do a better job than him with our resources.

 

I'm with you on that, particularly the point about staying up last season. However, when you factor in that Robins walked away from the challenge last season due to the working restrictions, you have to wonder who could have kept us up last season? At least Hill was lucky in the end.

 

It's no wonder people are losing interest when we see finishing 21st as a success. We are not in the bottom three at the moment but the long term trend suggests that we will be.

 

Your stats are brittle. Unsubstantial. They don't represent the progress and performance of the club, manager or team.... I'm having a deja vu.

 

Purely because most people see that as a realistic achievement based on what we have at our disposal.

Anyway, if the Blackpool rumours prove to be true and Hill goes, we'll soon have the new manager in that many seem to believe will do a better job. No doubt we will be shooting up the table soon after.

 

Of course they represent the performances. We have lost 31 times in 60 matches because the performances haven't been good enough.

 

No, the trend doesn't. A football season is a separate period of time. Last season's form doesn't impact on this season's 'stats'. The trend this year is to finish outside the bottom three.

Your other point us a valid question, but as we have the smallest budget in the championship finishing outside the bottom three means we have overachieved and some other club will have underachieved.

 

What an incredible statement. So there is nobody out there capable of doing better than the magician that is Mr Keith Hill. No new-blood managers coming through. That's farcical. Danny Wilson, Norman Hunter, and Allan Clarke were all Champions League winners weren't they.
He's totally inept. And in my view we would be better with a different man at the helm. What continues to amaze me is the amount of reds fans that stick up for him. Just shows how low aspirations have dropped.

 

Projecting Keith's stats across a 46 game season would give us 48 points (13 wins & 9 draws), same tally as last season (wherewe only played half a season), but has been good enough to survive in 7 of the last 10 seasons, this season I fear will be one of the 30% where we will need to get over 50 points.
Staying up must be our priority, we would all like to see us do better, and we have shown the full range of performances from the sublime to ridiculous. We will get this range of performances due to the quality of players we can attract, they are good but inconsistent.
Who out there can say what we are doing differently in some of good performances and in some of our worst performances,if so give Keith a bell and tell him how he can get the same high standard every week, I do think once you put your phone down it will ring with every other chairman in the game, offering you their managers job.
Having said that my big criticism is, how are we trying to score our goals, are we looking to get the ball wide and put crosses in?, are we looking to get shots away from the middle of the goal from 18 yards (Perkins v Palace)?, diagonal balls (like Peterborough)?, Last season we had Vaz Te, Davies, & Butterfield cutting in and shooting accurately and hard from 25 yards or so,plus we had quite a few rebounds from these shots.
I can't see what we are trying to do - we need a plan, the football is great until we get into the final third then its poor.

 

The stats are bad but irrelevant at this stage of the season, the real question that Hill has to answer is ,why if he doesn't think Barnsley is a Championship club, if every team in the league has better players than us, if the only reason we are 20th is down to the size of his budget....why did he take the sodding job, why is he still here.....his recent pronoucements undermine his own players and the club. In my 50+ years of supporting BFC I've never heard such defeatism, ' We're expected to be in the bottom three and we have to accept that at some stage of the season we might be in the bottom three'......such negativity ' Managers are just commodities that are sackable and hireable at the wims and wishes of fans ' ...such petulance ' I can understand when managers move on when they see a better opportunity'........Its not a question of do the fans want Keith as manager, its more does Keith really want to be the manager of Championship Barnsley Football Club...I'm not sure he does.