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Fair comment

But by that reckoning what would you have done with luca. For me the best player in the division. Would you start Jalo.

Pine full international
Earl played at championship level.
Grant appears you dont want to give him a chance.

Most of the players in the present side have got us to where we are. And the club have done what most wanted. To try get the back 3 into summat more reliable. Although I do worry a little about cover. I'd have held one back (lopata maybe) . I can only think Collins thinks it's sorted. As like most JW for me is lost in a back 3.
( only time will tell,) I think Cadden can strengthen midfield if required. He would be an automatic choice for me. And Earl fills that wing back position. If not part of the back 3. I'm not one for picking an 11 normally but I'll give it a go.
Hoping the new signings fit the bill.

Robert's best goalie in division
William's RWB
Pines CH
De Gevigne CH
Mccart if fit CH
Earl LWB
Connell M best player in division
Kane M
Cadden M
Cole F Top scorer in division
Macatee or (out of the box) dare I say Phillips.F

 

Excellent post!

If we stick to the maxim 'Shoot the message not the messenger' we wont go far wrong.

Perhaps we should become a bit more pro-active and report insulting messages to Admin and Admin should respond by banning these abusive posters.

 

Well said. Its funny because people abusing JAQ don't even understand her role at the club. When I see comments like that b1tch, or that sl@g, it infuriates me. I think she's brilliant at our club, but unfortunately some of our fans are braindead gobshites

 

No we don't- these attitudes and values come from home. What lessons do we teach that people express these views in school? I spend a great deal of time dealing with social media problems because they are allowed to do whatever they want on devices at home. Fed up of mopping up society's problems in school

 

I wasn't having a go at teachers LR. I meant we have a system that has always prepared kids for exams and qualifications. I'd rather there was more emphasis on producing rounded adults. And I agree, you're having to try and do it because in many cases it doesn't seem to be happening at home.

 

Wasn't taking it as a dig at teachers- these attitudes come from home. Don't think education system needs to change to fix these problems it's society

 

But doesn't society begin with schooling?
I'd rather see kids learning philosophy, humanities, civics etc than trigonometry and the 30 years war in Europe in the 17th century.

 

No starts before at home during their first few formative years and continues when they go home - spend more time at home than they do at school. Parents should teach respect and how to treat others - we face a losing battle with some kids before they start their education. First 5 years are crucial

 

Well I agree there. But how do you get parents to bring their kids up properly if they're not taught to be good members of society themselves.
It's chicken and egg I guess but it's about time something was done because we're turning out human beings who are voting for right wing destructive, compassionless populist governments across the world.

 

That's putting back on schools again though isn't it - constant battle and it's getting harder. Seen a massive change in last 33 years of teaching

 

Moral to that SD .
Don't say it on line .

 

Negativity is a cult like thing. People’s outlook is often influenced by the people they spend time with, and if they’re not in an environment where there is differing opinion, they’re not going to change they way they think. There are plenty on social media who try to offer an alternative view, but they often get piled on, which gives the bullies a sense of being right because of the amount of posters who took their side - quantity over quality.

I’m not sure there is another sport that attracts such a negative following as football.

 

100% spot on , a good reason why I don't post on certain threads.

 

From some homes, probably yes but not all homes and I wouldn't even say most. Yes it is society, just look at what we see on our TV screens day to day and you will see signs indicative of the decline of respect for others.

 

My respect for others came from my parents

 

Think the point is we need to invest in schools and education. In Ireland schooling is far superior and third level is free. 70% have a degree compared to 33% over here. That's 37% of people in this country who could have gone on to get a degree but are failed by the system.

Educated, fully functioning adults in general make for better, more tuned in parents and make better life choices, this creates a better next generation. Even if you don't open a book at uni, at least you've left your small world, branched out, met different people with different outlooks etc and this broadens you as a person.

For me a change in society has to come from somewhere and good schooling is the best place to start with small classes, fully supported teachers, all the special needs assistance and facilities we can shake a stick at etc. Otherwise England will continue to fall behind the rest of Europe and people will continue to insult JAQ

 

Hang on a minute. The education doesn't breed ignorant bigots, parents do. Either by being bigots themselves or by allowing their little darlings to associate with bigots.

Growing up I wasn't allowed to 'play out' with certain people because they were bad influences, then I wasn't allowed to hang out with them and discouraged from having anything to do with them. Good job really because they're now all drug addicts. They went to the same school as me with the same teachers so it wasn't the education system it was their upbringing.

One of them, his parents were both long term unemployed on benefits, the mum just didn't want a job so claimed job seekers but never looked for one, the dad was unable to work due to a bad back so got a small fortunate in benefits plus the money from when he worked cash in hand a few days a week as a labourer (nice bad back that). They smoked about 40 a day each and drank themselves stupid too.

Another, every time their son did anything wrong would barge into school to defend him or would be round to a parents house to complain that their son had been treated badly and he couldn't possibly be to blame.

Another had a drug addict parent.

Another had hard working parents, teachers I think. Problem is one was a step parent and he had a younger half brother and it was as clear as it could possibly be that he was the favourite child and the one I went to school with wasn't well liked. Always got the feeling it was because he was only the mothers kid and not theirs as a family.

Then there was a lad who had I believe 5 brothers and sisters, they lived in two houses knocked into one. A bit scruffy if I'm being honest. But despite not having a lot those parents raised that kid well. Had manners, knew right from wrong, and if he stepped out of line boy did he know it.


All went to the same school so had the same education but very different influences from at home. Kids are what you make them and in my experience the vast majority of teachers try to educate to the best of their ability without really influencing them politically or in a negative way

Actually I'd say that while I've had good parents who tried their best and we're good role models growing up it's also true that the best influences on my life were a few particular teachers that I had in secondary school for various reasons. One of them believed in me when I had absolutely no confidence in myself and helped me to pass my English GCSE. One took it on his own back to take out medical insurance for me to go on a school trip because a medical condition meant I shouldn't really have gone without the extra insurance. One, who I actually really disliked for being hard on me, it was only in year 11 that I realised she had told me a lot of personal things about her life and actually did like me and was just trying to get the best out of me. One would stay late on a Friday night unpaid so that I and a few friends could play football in the school sports hall every week because they knew it was good for us. Wish I could speak to them now to thank them because I don't think I ever did.

Just for a change I went off on a tangent there but education isnt the problem for me. Family is and those who people associate with growing up are. In fact not just growing up but in adults life too. I've met a lot more horrible homophobic, sexist racists since I started working than I ever did at school.

 

It is a start but it has to be in conjunction with supportive parents. First five years are crucial in a child's development - parents have also got to play a part as well. Schools don't breed hate and the kind of views hurled at JAQ. Spend so much time mopping up incidents from home it's unreal especially around social media. Police have been called in to talk to children. It's something we cover on a regular basis but we can't supervise them at home.

We do need to support schools and properly fund them but we also need support before they get to school so we aren't playing catch up.

 

I agree with what you say ST but I stick to my belief that hand in hand with parenting it's time kids were educated differently.