Labour anti semitism

I’d rather the force be with Kieffer on his return

 

7 of the 11 points of IHRA definition of what Anti Semitism is ( the one that everyone's got their knickers in a twist about Labour not accepting) makes specific reference to the israeli state - and it is those clauses which specifically linked to criticism of Israel that were excluded by Labour in their definition - which is what has caused all this stink in the first place.......so I'm still confused.

You've heard the term Dingle..... I think I get it. I guess there's still a element of humour in the term Dingle but it's not a huge leap of imagination to see how it could become something quite upsetting and after thousands of years use as a derogatory term and how it would grate.

Still not clear on why Anti-semitism is different to racism and why it gets a special name.

Thanks

 

I agree they 're intertwined but I think you are considered Jewish before you think about religion in a way that an Asian person isn't automatically considered a Muslim.

 

Hi Kettlewell,

My intention was never to infer that anti Semitism doesn't exist or even that it doesn't exist within the Labour party. Anti Semitism undoubtedly does exist and is just as abhorrent as any other type of racism or prejudice. I genuinely haven't seen any clear examples of it relating to Labour but, as I say, I've not been following it particularly closely.
I do stand by the statement though that my disagreement with the policies of the Israeli state does not make me a racist.

 

Hi Kettlewell
I totally agree with 99.9% of your post and if you have read some of my posts which I know you have you’ll know that I’m not part of the pitch fork brigade and the find em and hang em crowd.I’m a big believer in human rights in fact massively so . So many people have fought and died and been tortured , persecuted and starved to form these rights and have them implemented into international law.
I’m also in line with labours policies made at grass roots level and championed by some of our MPs including Jeremy Corbyn .
Anti Semitism along with any Racism or discrimination of any kind against people or persons should not and must not be tolerated at any level by anyone at all.
I’m also a Labour Party member and believe in our policies , I know that there is people with agendas in our party and it must be stamped out I also really believe in our justice system although not perfect it should be used.
I honestly don’t know what is happening at the top level but I do know it should be rooted out and imo it should be done by law.
Although I’m in the Labour Party my opinion is no part of society should police itself in matters this grave.
The evidence should be handed to the police or an independent investigation and the perpetrators should be brought to book.
As you say you have been trolled in this way they should not be allowed under any circumstances to get away with this and the full force of the law should be visited upon them .
As you say and I stated eatlier current Israeli policy is political by certain sections of the governing elite and not supported by many Israeli and Jewish people as is the rocket launches by Hammas on innocent Israelis not supported by all Palestinians .
My Great Grandfather and Grandfather also died fighting Expansionists , Racists and anti Semites my father served upholding our values .
I always defend human rights and deplore its abuses and if any Labour Party member had crossed that line they should be dealt with accordingly .

 

Also if this works



He is one of the most vocal critics of the current labour approach on AS.

 

LOL

 

At the end of the day you could create world peace if everyone would come to their senses and accepted the one true god into their lives. Ronnie glavin. Job sorted

 

Ah men

 

Hi Churtonred.
Hope I haven't upset too many people. I too criticise Israel and their foreign policy and behaviour,especially over the last 10 years. Many times through negotiation, we feel we are going to see a move towards a 2 State solution ,which most people in Israel accept and want. Then someone puts an objection or comes up with a reason not to, or assinates the Prime minister who is negotiating a Peace deal. Netanahu used to work on Wall St with Mitt Romney and was rather Dovish. Then suddenly he returns to Israel and is very anti peace process and working with the minority extreme religious parties and forms a Coalition which exists now. Israel is in breach of many many UN resolutions ,which the US veto. He is playing Trump's favour by constantly alleging Iran is about to attack them and wanting sanctions reinstigated. He is also a suporter of Assad in Syria,as he helps keep Shia groups down in Syria and Lebanon. Despite what the current situation is, I'm hopeful that I will live long enough to see a 2 State solution. Two countries living in peace with each other with accepted borders with free movement. The demolition of the Wall and illegal settlements. The barriers are not religious but political. Modern Israel was set up.in 1948 to be a secular state,built on Socialist Democratic frameworks. The Europeans who had survived the Second World war, couldn't believe in a God that had allowed the Holocaust to happen to them. They wanted to live in a place they knew about,but had no experience of. 20 years later with the help of the US military, they launched the 6 Day War and the world,especially the Palestinians have suffered since. It's ok to disagree with Israels policy and behaviour and the damage it does. But it does not mean that Jewish people or people of Jewish origin, should be singled out and attacked. In my previous post I tried to intimate that picking on someone because of their origins,skin colour, etc is equally as bad. In Europe there has been this justified attack on Jews since the 19th century, based on lies,myths. In the same way that Black people will share their experiences of discrimination and hatred or Muslims since 2001.
Where Corbyn and others on the Left get it so wrong,is they make a big play of defending some people and groups,but justify attacks on Jewish people because of Israel. It's been a long day and I've only just come back in,I didn't expect to be talking about such things. Some of the abuse I've had in the past concerned attacking Ken Livingstone after his nonsense that Hitler was a friend of Zionism and his inference that what happened to Jews and others was brought on themselves. There are other incidents, where violence is offered,so I tell them where I live and invite them to come,as I get older I get worse.
There's One World and One Species of Humans, we ought to try and get along as there's no difference between us,other than what we create.

 

I agree with all that my friend and far more informed and eloquently put together than I could have hoped to do.

 

As well presented a post as I've ever read on this (or any) version of the BBS.
Well done, sir.