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Corbyn was without any doubt sympathetic to the IRA and it's murderous cause.
He was a political and ideological bedfellow of Adams and his indiscriminately gruesome gang: the man is a rabid republican, without question.
He is a terribly middle class and privileged ex public schoolboy who is playing at the 'politics of the people'.
He is not fit to lace Nye Bevans' boots.

 

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Thanks for that. Appreciate the reply.

 

Gotta love a bit of opinion passed off as fact.

 

It's all factual: nothing to do with opinion.
Jeremy actively visited northern ireland and the irish republic throughout the 70s and 80s where he physically showed his support at republican rallies and events. This is a proven fact.
So all through this period Corbyn continued with this despite atrocity after atrocity, all in the name of his fervent republican sentiment. It is a fact that Corbyn is a staunch republican.
It is a fact that Corbyn is a terribly middle class career politician who went to prep and then one of the oldest schools in this country ( alongside his fellow 'man of the people' brother PIERS).
Corbyn's association with his comrades within the irish republican movement is a stinking stain on his character, one that will remain with him forever.
Jeremy understands this only too well and i would suggest it will be his biggest regret.
Any mention of his involvement leads to a "oh please god no" look of abject consternation and squirming of an unnatural nature.

 

No it's an opinion. I went to the Conservative Party conference a couple of years ago am I a Tory? I went to a EDL demo a bit back am I a member of the EDL. The only fact is that Corbyn successfully sued the Times for similar things to those you allege. It's why newspapers are very citmrcumspect in doing so.

I believe in a united ireland. A lot of people do. It doesn't mean we support the methods of the IRA.

 

No it's fact not opinion.
There is lots of primary documentary evidence showing corbyn in the company of terrorists and their supporters through the 70s, 80s and beyond; often with a smile on his face.

Corbyn is a fervent republican: only a deluded fool could argue otherwise. This is self acknowledged, it's not a secret (national anthem etc). So this is fact.
Can't find any documentary evidence anywhere to prove your statement regarding Corbyn and the Times?

A desire for a united ireland is fine: the desire to offer real support for it's determination through violent means is completely different all together.
Your argument about going to conference/edl etc is rather odd in the context of this argument. Jeremy went out of his way to cross the water time and again.
This is the trouble with many Corbyn supporters: they have a blind faith. I believe in 80% of what he desires policy wise: i have old fashioned socialist tendencies with a bit of pinko liberalism thrown in.
But I see Corbyn for what he is and that is a great big hypocritical moral degenerate ( and this bit, without doubt is OPINION!).

 

The Times withdrew the article and apologised before it came to court but easily accessible on the internet.

Clearly it’s an opinion. A fact is something that you can prove. You cannot prove either implicitly or explicitly that Jeremy Corbyn supports or supported the IRA. As a life long pacifist it would be extremely unlikely. The only way you could prove your assertion would be in two ways. If Corbyn came out and said I support or supported the IRA. Or you could read his mind. Other than that it’s an opinion.

I went out of my way to attend the Conservative Conference. I have done so on at least 5 occasions. I travelled booked a hotel even flew back from Brussels for it once. There’s even a couple of pictures of me looking reasonably happy. Does that mean I am or was a supporter of the Conservatives.

Willie Whitlelaw and other prominent Conservatives met the IRA in secret throughout the 70s. Were the all secret members of the IRA...

I appreciate that idiots spoon fed the right wing media lap up such nonsense. And as your idiotic and poorly constructed last paragraph shows you have no objectivity to back up your opinion. Capitalising words does not give them extra impact you just look like someone’s dad texting.

 

Successive government's secretly met with the IRA throughout the 'troubles'. This was political so no it does not mean any individuals involved were supportive of the IRA because they weren't, clearly. Yet another ludicrous statement put forward by yourself.
It's evident for all to see that you have not at any point put together a constructive argument, indeed it's been quite absurd at times.
I agree i am perhaps guilty of a little bit of hyperbole at the end, but this was for your benefit and my pleasure.
History has taught us to beware those who blindly follow.

 

No you waffled some nonsense which was I have seen a picture of someone at an event so that proves that this person supports the people that he was photographed with. Do you understand how absolutely ludicrous that is? You then followed that up with further evidence that on some of those photographs the person you were taking about smiled thus proving your original hypothesis. Again take a step back and think how utterly ridiculous that sounds.

You were rumbled passing off an opinion as a fact you didn’t like that so decided to get abusive.

Whitelaw and other members of the Conservative party met with the IRA whilst they were in opposition not govt. a few seconds basic research would show you that.

https://ansionnachfionn.com/2017/05...and-negotiations-between-britain-and-the-ira/

 

Help me out here. You think that individuals from successive governments "clearly" aren't supportive of the IRA despite meeting them, but that it's "fact" that Corbyn is supportive because he met them?

 

The only person who has been abusive is you. Significant time spent with members of the IRA is fact, not opinion. So Thatcher never had clandestine meetings with the IRA? And others.
Your arguments and responses have been extremely juvenile, embarrassingly so.

 

What I really like is that the two main criticisms of Corbyn from the press seem to be that he wouldn't push the button because he's a pacifist but, despite that pacifism, he's also a huge supporter of murderous terrorism in Northern Ireland.

 

Corbyn was supportive of irish republicanism: he is a republican.
Other people were charged with establishing dialogue.
Corbyn's involvement was ideological, it was his own personal choice.

 

I know it’s genius isn’t it. A lifelong pacifist supports the IRA. Some people really are easily manipulated.

 

and the daily mail readers lap it up like some crazed rabid rabble.

 

Corbyn's pacifism only comes into fruition when it is British/allied government's doing the bombing.

 

You put forward an opinion as fact. You cannot prove your hypothesis. Because it is just that an hypothesis. And it is of course as any basic level researcher knows impossible to prove an hypothesis.

Your next attempt to prove your hypothesis is spending time with members of an organisation means you support the aims of the people you are spending time with. Do you understand how inexorably stupid that sounds.

Clearly you have no background in research and analysis so here’s a very basic starting point for you.

https://ellies1mpson.wordpress.com/2011/12/08/is-it-possible-to-prove-a-research-hypothesis/


It really is like being savaged by a dead sheep discussing this with you...

 

Woof woof they bark not realising they are arguing two mutually incompatible ideas.

 

It just seems to me that if a pacifist who believes in a united Ireland is meeting a group who want to effect a united Ireland through violent means then the most likely message is going to be something along the lines of "Come on lads, let's stop this nonsense and try something else."

 

Again a response with little depth.
You are too blinkered to be engaged in any reasonable discourse.
And as far as research and analysis goes, i have a 1st class research based degree ( a proper old fashioned one to boot)
Perhaps things have changed somewhat since my student days way back when.