Land sale for building at Oakwell...another point

in the prem the capcity was about 19000

and unless we get back to the prem we wont fill out ground as is. now im not saying i dont want it to look nice, but its a long way back to the prem and i dont see it happening any time soon. so all that will happen is the stadium would look even more empty, thats not what i had in mind

 

RE: in the prem the capcity was about 19000

Against Man City in the play off year we had about 23,000 in ( 6,000 from City) so imho there's more than enough potential to get towards 30,000.

 

They didn't quantify.

It's important to remember that we're talking about two different bodies here. BFC no longer owns the ground and surrounding land. Any ploughback revenue generated by selling or developing the land is almost certain to be spent on improving the assets of the company that owns it.

Imagine you're renting a house. The landlord rearranges your huge rambling garden in a way that doesn't adversely affect you, sells some off in the process and uses the cash to improve your house. You wouldn't argue with that would you?

Now imagine you're a male prostitute working from home. The fact that your facilities have improved is almost certain to benefit your business.

Everyone's a winner.

 

RE: in the prem the capcity was about 19000

Before the East stand was done there was regularly over 30,000 there for cup games, Stoke and Everton were two I remember.

 

Wrong.

Osmosis.

You lot know **** all.

 

RE: in the prem the capcity was about 19000

Saw Paul Shane at the Everton game.

Barnsley has a massive catchment area for its fanbase. This club and town LONG TERM should be looking at Premiership football.

 

RE: Wrong.

Donny or Jimmy ?

 

RE: in the prem the capcity was about 19000

Long term maybe but I reckon our "natural" position is mid table Div 1/Chamionship or whatever they're calling it this year. We're as big as Burnley,Stoke, Watford etc but suffer from plenty of competition from neighbouring clubs.

It's sad that we missed a real opportunity in the mid 90's. With better planning we could be where Charlton and Bolton are now.

 

RE: in the prem the capcity was about 19000

Absolutely we could. Better off field management. And perhaps the shareholders and creditors wouldn't have been treat as poorly as they were imho. Hey ho.

 

Jimmy.

Donny is a pikey.

Boom, tish.

 

The only people who place restrictive parameters

On Barnsley Football Club are ourselves . Being a provincial town didn't stop us reaching the Premiership before and it shouldn't again . If we were to have a ground capacity of around 30 000 , then the revenue generated from gate receipts would go directly to the running of the club . I don't really care if there are empty seats at the moment ( or in the near future ) , these will start being filled the more succesful we become . Doncaster Rovers are having a new ground built , yet the capacity for their new stadium will only reach the combined total of seating for the North and East Stands . Therefore , they are already restricting themselves when it comes to potential earnings .

 

Imho

Selling the parts of the car park would adversely affect the club. But that's just my opinion.

If the details of how the money was going to be spent were outlined then I may get behind the project, but without details I don't know what I'd be supporting.

I understand that the profits will be split 50:50 between the council and Oakwell Community Assets. I don't believe the council would want to invest in Oakwell or if their rules would even allow them to do so. So that would mean that the maximum that could be invested would be 50% of the profits from the sale and that requires the generosity of the directors of Oakwell Community Assets. They are certainly under no obligation to spend that money on Oakwell. It's simply money they have made from a legitimate land sale.

The following is very interesting from the council's web site concerning how the land was purchased in the first place.
"The Council proposes to contribute 2 million as its share of the joint venture to acquire the land and property, and to make a further loan of 1 million to the joint venture company, secured on the assets, not on the club, to be repaid from the proceeds of development on the site alongside the football club."

As I understand it, that means the first £million made by the directors of Oakwell Community Assets from the development of the land has to be used to pay back the loan from the council. As they only get 50% of the profits anyway, I can't see how there will be much money left to spend on the ground. Certainly nothing like enough to build a new stand that many people believe we are getting.

 

Sorry cocker - but I don't agree.

'We', i.e - the fans, are not the restriction.
The days have gone where clubs should solely rely on their 'on pitch' success to determine how many people they attract to matches. A simple pull strategy is inherently flawed.
The obvious push strategy to run alongside would be a pro-active campaign by the club to get new fans - such as the scheme demonstrated by various clubs such as Hudds.

Actively seeking new business will lead to increased revenue - which will in turn give the Manager the opportunity to strengthen the team - which will then bring in more business - which will then create more revenue ... and so on ... and so on.

BFC is stuck in the dark ages.

 

Surely , as with all ground improvements

Barnsley will obtain the grants available to make up the shortfall ? That was done with all the other stands at Oakwell . The transfers of Tiler , Taggart and Ward contributed a certain amount , but we also made full use of these grants . Another thing is the higher up the league pyramid we go , the greater the amount of monies available . Therefore , if we were to win promotion this season , the grant will be greater when we make an application as a Championship club than if we were to stay in League 1 .

 

Yes.

Because if they increased the seating capacity that would obviously preclude them from seeking new customers.

Anybody knows that.

 

When I said "we"

I was referring to Barnsley Football Club , not the fans .

 

One question then ...

Which is more important to BFC as a 3rd division club with a ground capacity of 23k & an average attandance of 8k:

(1) Increase the capacity

or

(2) Sort out the infrastructure, ticketing shambles & none existent marketing strategy

 

Okay spadge.

I'd love a 30k capacity ground ... but on the list of things that need sorting out - ground improvements currently lie at number 538.

In my opinion, obviously.
Some people think everything is fine.

 

Oh I agree with you on that point

There are certainly more pressing matters to deal with than ground improvements .

 

How do you know we won't end up with more parking spaces?

Ones we can actually get out of?

The statement has ALREADY BEEN MADE that revenue WILL be made available for the IMPROVEMENT of Oakwell. Do you seriously think they haven't thought about parking?

And as we all haven't the foggiest idea how much will be generated I don't see how you can say that any given percentage of it won't amount to much.

We're not a charity you big bum bandit.