Land sale for building at Oakwell...another point

I'd say the latter

I'd also say that, as they are in no way mutually exclusive, you're talking complete *****.

 

Aye.

Took my mates 2 disabled kids to Elland Road on Setdi.
I basically wanted both teams to lose & spent the whole game texting people at Oakwell.
But I couldn't help but be impressed with the organisation, presentation & customer understanding that was evident everywhere.
Profesionally run club it was ... which make me a bit sick.

They are 82 billion zillion quid in debt, allegedy - and they make us look like amateurs.

 

Obviously.

Career employees usually do.

Come on then - Don Trump - what should the club do to attract fans & increase revenue?

 

I don't know the situation with grants anymore

Would I be right in saying that the grants came from pools money? I'm sure that's where it came from but I'll stand corrected if someone knows different. As I understand it, since the introduction of the national lottery, income from the pools has dropped substantially and there is no longer a vast pot of money to be used as grants for ground redevelopment. I believe we were given such huge grants as the Taylor report required all clubs in the top two divisions to have all-seater stadiums. At the time our ground was almost exclusively standing and required massive investment to reach the required standard. That is no longer the case, so I'm not sure how successful our application for further funds would be even if there were still money in the pot.

Also, with our other stands, we contributed about half(?) of the money required. I don't see how this land sale will generate anywhere near that amount when you consider that the council will get half of the money, plus the £million that has to repay the loan from the council. You've also got to take into account that the money from the land sale doesn't go directly to the club.

To add to that, I've seen no mention from official sources that a new stand is even an option.

 

Where are you going now?

PC and the council are still awaiting your approval of their plans for development.

 

Sorry for asking your opinion.

It won't happen again.

Everything is just fine.

 

I hope not.

That was excruciatingly clumsy. I actually whinced.

 

RE: I hope not.

I bet you 2 have both got expressions like you're sucking on a lemon. Prissy buggers.

 

RE: I hope not.

I think you meant 'minced'.

What would you do to attract new business & increase revenue at BFC?

Don't bother answering that.
It's too clumsy.

 

I don't intend to.

You very shitely attempted to side step the fact that you were employing faulty logic.

Will you be eating when you get home? I wouldn't advise it, it's far more important to drink.

Come on admit it. You were talking ****.

 

stadiums? Stadia?

 

Your last point is probably the most important one

Made on this subject so far . No one has made any official statement on ground improvements or , indeed , a new West Stand as I'm aware . All this debate on the subject ( interesting as it's been ) is pure conjecture at this stage .

 

Mmm.

It's good that you convince yourself that you are so smart.

My point (or 'talking *****' as you say) was that I don't think we should consider improving the ground until we sort out some fundamental deficiencies.

Could we improve the way the club is run at the same time as we build a new stand? Yes, of course we could ... but it seems it takes us many years to get an on-line ticketing system working - nevermind changing the whole way the club operates at the same time as a massive construction project.

It's my opinion.
Or you could simply dismiss it as '*****'.

Either way - I don't give a **** what you think.

 

Waffle blah snow smoke.

Did you or did you not present increasing capacity and improving marketing as mutually exclusive activities?

Just admitting your mistake would be far more dignified than attempting to sidestep your blunder and getting stroppy.

 

We are getting 75,000 fans!

Biggest club in the country!

 

Nope.

I gave you two options.
I never stated that they were mutually exclusive.
You did.

I can feel your self calculated IQ draining away from here.

 

what difference does it make if we sell some land or not</p>

i think that they are doing the right thing and the people concerned only have BFC's intrests at heart</p>

 

I bet I'm thicker then you.

I have to say Windy when you have 15,000 empty seats on average per week. You would have to be a complete moron to not realise that increasing capacity is a high risk business decision that doesn't make commercial sense.

When you look at the bigger picture, it BFC are contractually obliged to improve facilities as a result of any land sales, then it becomes a forced decision which maybe they should just be a bit more honest about.

If you have an empty shop, making it bigger doesn't make it more attractive to the non-existent customer base you don't have. Making the business more attractive and increasing revenue is the only way forward. Or should we look at all the clubs who have invested hugely in bigger, emptier stadiums to play football at a lower level within a season or 2.

If we don't have contractual obligations to improve facilities that are already well above basic needs, then marketing and increasing capacity should be mutually exclusive.

 

Just a reminder...

"....clubs like Barnsley will never get there again"

 

Ha ha ha!

Ok then, it's all there in black and white anyway. We can discuss my IQ next time we meet if you're still feeling stroppy.

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