Lets have a vote: Is Ritchie good or not?

The harder you work the luckier you are

amazingly!

The results are down to graft, thats whats needed in this division not guile. Tho I'm pleased there are times we have both

 

good manager and a top bloke

has worked wonders to get us where we are to begin with. think back to paul hart and then thank this man for being here. god before saturday we were flying one result and he is rubbish how fickle.

as i said before he has made mistake but who doesnt.

 

RE: good manager and a top bloke

Do you not realise that Ritchie and Hart read from the same Hymn Sheet. Ritchie's methods and expertise are no different to Hart's. They both have the same background and they both are poor in the same areas. They love being looked upon as a "top bloke" and neither of them have the bottle to be what Dave Penney is. Which is why neither of them are as good at getting the best out of people. I have spent most of my working life in Management and my ethos has always been "You get more out of someone who wants to work for you than you do from someone who has to!"
Generally, that works but there are times when you have to put the boot in. A good manager, whether it be in football or any other industry, knows instinctively, when to do both. He/She, also isn't afraid to do either to get the right results. Unfortunately, IMHO, Ritchie doesn't know when instinctively and consequently doesn't have the bottle to do it when it's necessary.

 

RE: good manager and a top bloke

well we shall have to see where we finsih, should we make the play offs i would see that as a fantastic achievment. if you actually want to compare hart and ritchie in the first place???

 

RE: I will give him 6/10

No mate Iv'e been an FA coach for 11 years.</p>

Also got the FA player and match analysis award.</p>

My view comes from studying Ritchie's performance ,analysing it, and comparing and contrasting with other managers. Also from 46 years of playing the game.
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So unlike you I'm not talking out of my arse.
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RE: good manager and a top bloke

I also would see the playoffs as a fantastic achievement but I wouldn't be too quick to say that it was all down Andy Ritchie, unless he does something totally out of character in the next few months, like starting to make good tactical and managerial decisions. If he does, then I will be the first to congratulate him.
I believe that we are where we are now, despite Andy Ritchies best efforts not because of them. We are in a very poor division where there are no run away winners and we have had some luck. If we continue with the same in-experienced management and with the same amount of luck then we could maintain a playoff position but it would be wrong to put that down to good management by Mr. Ritchie. It would place a burden on him that he would not be able to bear in a higher division where the competion would be greater and more consistent. If that were to happen, my opinion of him wouldn't change but yours and a lot more peoples would.

 

RE: I will give him 6/10

/poo

"No mate Iv'e been an FA coach for 11 years." and
"Also got the FA player and match analysis award."

**** off!!! I'am better than you, i've got a shinny badge.

 

RE: good manager and a top bloke

(wnkr)



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Let me get your argument perfectly straight in my mind

The fact that the team currently occupies a play-off spot has absolutely nothing to do with the efforts of the bloke that buys the players, coaches the players and picks the team. In fact, what you're saying is that those activities have actually held the team back and without him we'd be performing much better. Have I got that right?

 

He's doing a good job, I think the league position backs that up. Many of the failings of the team - e.g. inability to get stuck into teams like Donny and "mix it up" are ones that seem to dog Barnsley who ever the manager is. Although if you read other teams boards, and ones in other sports come to mention it, we seem no different in that respect to many other supporters in what we moan about.
OK, I didn't go to the game on Saturday so can't comment on the performance, but for people to suddenly start criticising just cause we lost an away game 2-0 seems ridiculous. Would you prefer the situations to be reversed? i.e. we did the double over Donny but were in bottom half whilst they were top 6?!
Agreed that many performances could have been better and at tiles we have flattered to deceive but I also feel that is the nature of the division.
To be calling for the head of a manager yet again when he's not had a full season is amazing…..to be doing so when that team is top 6 smacks of downright stupidity.

 

RE: Looks as if I'm in a minority , but

And in both cases our team consisted of youth, and experience from a higher league. Too late now, but if we do reasonably well this season, i.e. play-offs or better, we might be able to tempt an old pro to join us and make the difference.

 

Shinny Badge?

Is that for climbing trees in the cubs or something?

An FA badge means nothing though, apparently all referees are qualified. Doesn't make them all good at their job.

 

I agree

I'd have preferred an experienced defender and midfield player to be signed during the transfer window , but it wasn't to be . Andy Ritchie has done very well so far , in my opinion , with his signings . I have faith in him . It doesn't bother me one iota that others don't . They are entitled to their opinions just as much as I am , it doesn't make them any less or more of a supporter than me .
I'll get off my soapbox now !!ff

 

RE: Let me get your argument perfectly straight in my mind

It annoys me when the moaners say &quot;we're lucky to be in playoffs&quot;</p>

No doubt if we were 20th they wont be saying &quot;We're unlucky&quot;....</p>

Fact is, we're doing alot much better then last season so to me thats a improvement and a job well done by Ritchie and co....</p>

But to want a manager out and say &quot;he's been lucky&quot; is just a pathetic excuse to once again get another manager out. </p>

 

Is that

"I'm bettererer at watching football than you"?

 

RE: Let me get your argument perfectly straight in my mind

You usually write such a good post. It's a shame that you can't read properly because if you could, you would know that what I said doesn't bear much relation to your interpretation of it.

 

RE: Let me get your argument perfectly straight in my mind

If you seriously think that anything other than luck has got us where we are this season you really need to think about watching rugby or netball or something because you obviously wouldn't know good football if it jumped up and bit your backside.

 

Then could you explain what this means

"I believe that we are where we are now, despite Andy Ritchies best efforts not because of them."

 

it was stated from the outset,....

That this season would be a stepping stone for next season.

ie consolidate this season and push for promotion next.

I maybe completely thick here, but we are in a great position, and we have a real genuine chance of doing it this year.

achieving a target 12 months early in any job is a great achievement.

The guy has done extremely well in trying to weed out the crap (ie T.Williams/Conlon/Vaughan)

and bought in some decent players, and on the verge of bringing in a couple more.

The only thing he lacks is impatience (like many of us on here have) and the bottle to severley kick ass and throw mugs of tea about.

Give the bloke a break.

Look at his record since he took charge, and add end of last year and beginning of this year together, promotion material in terms of points and results.

He has done that with hardly a penny to spend and inheritance of a pretty **** unmotivated team.

He is still learning and will get the hang of it, he is doing one thing that no manager has done for years, and play with 2 out and out wingers which is why we are probably doing better than we all expected.

The thing spoiling this team is arrogance, some of them think we have a right to be up their instead of working their ballax of to get it. And they cannot play mind games, they should learn to shut up and get stuck in and do their talking on the pitch as it clearly doesn't work trying to wind up beforehand.

This team is the beginning of something special, anyone who can't see that needs their ballax cutting off or ***** sowing up.

Remember, rome wasn't built in a day and didn't have to put up with a different manager every 6 months. (look at warnock and ferguson, both have had years and have done something, you can't do it in one or half a season)

What they need is encouragement, a fanbase willing to get behind em instead of waiting for something to happen. And I thought Blunts and Wednesdays fans were daft.


END OF RANT and I don't feel any better...