Lets have a vote: Is Ritchie good or not?

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  1. Gue

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    RE: I will give him 6/10

    If I were you I would pack it in whilst I'm behind.
     
  2. Gue

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    RE: Can anyone tell me?

    How much the excellent Dave Penney has spent to get his team into 14 position in the league?
     
  3. Jay

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    More than us

    Sean Thornton £175,000
    Paul Heffernan £125,000

    That's more than our entire squad in just two players.
     
  4. Gue

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    RE: good manager and a top bloke

    Are we not above Donny in the league?
     
  5. Gue

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    RE: Then could you explain what this means

    Yes it means exactly what it says!
    Andy Ritchie, as you rightly say has brought in certain players, on the basis of how they played prior to coming to BFC. Can you honestly tell me how many of them have lived up to the reputation that preceded them. Does not Mr. Ritchie in his all encompassing role, have to bear the responsibility for them not now performing to the best of their ability on a regular basis. He has admitted himself, that the team have "over achieved". What do you think he meant by that? That they have played better than they were expected to, or that they have been lucky enough to get better results than they have deserved? I believe that the second of those two options is the correct one and Mr. Ritchie is not able to engender luck, it comes from a higher position than he is ever likely to achieve, whatever the results are at the end of the season.
    I am not and never have suggested that Andy Ritchie does not do the best he can. What I have always said is that IMO he is in-experienced and needs assistance from more experienced coaches than the ones that are available to him. As a result of his in-experience, I believe that he has made poor decisions in most areas of management and as such I do not think he is a good manager.
    If the club manage to hang on to a play-off place, I will be delighted but lets not confuse good results with good management. The two don't always go together and sometimes it even works the other way around.
     
  6. Jay

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    Firstly

    If it means exactly what it says then my interpretation was spot on, for that is an exact translation of what you wrote.

    In my opinion, and it is only an opinion, Ritchie stating that we have 'over achieved' is a subtle way of playing down our promotion chances, of taking the pressure off the players, keeping the team out of the media spotlight and not stoking up the fires of fans expectations. Putting your team forward as the underdog is not a bad way to play it as far as I'm concerned. On the flip side of that I've also heard Andy Ritchie claim his players more than capable of achieving promotion. I certainly wouldn't claim him consistent, but I think the results on the park are far more important than the sound bites he gives to the media. When I judge him on that I think he's doing a very decent job.

    That's not to say that there aren't decisions that I haven't agreed with. I thought he should have added an experienced player to the squad during the transfer window. He didn't and time will tell if that was a mistake or not. It's far too early to know that yet. But I have definitely seen a significant improvement in terms of both results and performances this season on the last 4 seasons and to deny that has anything to do with the managerial ability of Andy Ritchie just does not add up to me.
     
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    RE: Let me get your argument perfectly straight in my mind

    We play in LEAGUE 1, a sh*te league and unfortunately we are apart of it...</p>
     
  8. Gue

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    I'd have thought ...

    ... about £500k.

    Thornton £175k
    Heffernan £125k
    Blayney £50k
    Lee £50k
    N.Roberts £undisc (maybe £50k)
    Price £undisc (maybe £30k)
    Budtz, Nielsen, Coppinger etc £undisc (maybe another £20k)

    Out of those - I think Lee & Price look good value.

    We probably paid about £250k for our squad.

    So are they twice as good as us?
    Nope - I don't think they are.

    Does their squad have twice as much depth?
    After the LDV Joey Cup result & Saturdays match - I'd say yes.
     
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    RE: I will give him 6/10

    Yep, thats true I am better then you
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  10. Jay

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    I'm not sure what you mean by claiming the players that Ritchie has brought in are not living up to the repuatation that proceeded them.

    I had no expectations at all for the likes of Devaney and Richards, they certainly had no reputation that i had ever heard of, yet in my opinion they have both been a real hit. Richards has 10 league goals from 16 starts, which is simply fantastic as far as I'm concerned. Devaney has also weighed in with 7 goals, which is very prolific for a midfeilder. And some of his performances have been first class.

    I'm not sure what I expected from Hayes. He was simply a young lower league striker with half a good season to his name. I've seen him have some excellent games and some poor ones. He could certainly do with bagging a few more goals in the league, but he creates a hell of a lot of chances for others.

    Howard has blown hot and cold, while it's far too early to judge Wright. The only mistake I think Ritchie made was signing the injured Kell.

    On the whole I think his signings have done quite well and certainly improved the team.
     
  11. Gue

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    Kinell Johnny Boy

    That is the funniest thing I've ever read.
    And I don't think you meant it.

    Maybe you could give Anderson RichTea a buzz & offer your 'analytical services'?
    I'm sure he'd appreciate an Andy Gray style approach to the games at Oakwell.

    ''46 years, man & boy, I've been playing - or an FA coach ... and I'm still not good enough to be involved with a proper team''.

    You gret spacktastic mongoloid.
     
  12. Gue

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    RE: PS

    I'll bet you believe in fairies as well!
     
  13. Gue

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    Good

    (Y)
     
  14. Gue

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    RE: Firstly

    1) Your interpretation is not spot on because you are implying that I am suggesting that Ritchie has done nothing that is any good and has not made any contribution to the results that have been achieved. What I have actually said is that in my opinion, he has made serious errors of judgement in various areas, DESPITE which, we have been lucky enough to scrape good results and achieve a good league position (at the moment).
    2) If that is truly your opinion and you really believe it, then you probably also believe that the moon is made of green cheese. You admit that he has shown himself to be inconsistent and that is exactly my point. If the team are expected to be consistent, then the manager has to be as well.
    3) Finally, something that we agree on! He should have added an experienced midfielder to the squad. The fact that he didn’t was a mistake. I know it! If you’re honest, you know it! If he is honest, after Saturday, he knows it!
     

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