Liverpool fans at it again with their lies and beging for pity

Liverpool were the reigning champions and averaged nearly 50 thousand every game

Forest weren't and didn't.</p>

Your argument doesn't stack up.</p>

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I think that about sums it all up.

Nuff said.

 

"Give us what we want or we'll riot and attempt to take it and it'll all be your fault." nt

 

What I've never understood is the season before there were as many in that end for the Semi

and i was one (Yes i/ll admit Leeds end against Coventry) we weren't crushed. Still believe the real cause was the nmber of Liverpool fans who turned up with out tickets and were intent on entering the ground. Yes the police made mistakes but if the gates hadn't have opened would people have been crushed outside?

 

Did Forest sell their allocation?

If they did it doesn't matter.

Liverpool fans without tickets turned up and tried to get in - that's the point!

 

So the anniversary is not the day to debate what happened?!

But it's ok for TV and radio to go all over it today blaming everyone else whilst still absolving a minority of Liverpool fans of any blame?

 

What utter rubbish.............

Not one single officer pushed a fan down that tunnel.

Liverpool fans did the killing.

OK the police didnt' stop them killing each other.


That's like saying it's McDonalds fault for me burning myself with hot coffee because they didn't tell me it was hot.

 

There was also a change in policy in that tickets

were checked at each end of Leppings lane in previous seasons to prevent ticketless fans entering. In 89 they weren't.</p>

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Liverpool fans still have a reputation for turning up to sell out games without tickets. Both the Istanbul & Athens Champions League finals were beset with problems of keeping ticketless fans away from the stadium. A work colleague of mine went to Istanbul without a ticket and he & his mate blagged their way in. He tried the same trick in Athens but didn't get through the security corden. Many did.

So, who exactly is supposed to learn the lessons of Hillsborough?

 

RE: I thought that the policeman in charge knew what he was doing that day

The Taylor report says many things in place the year before just weren't implemented on the day of the disaster.

Things like a ring of police some way out from Hilsborough filtering out ticketless fans.

Preparations for closing off the tunnel when the central pens got full, etc.


The previous years learning points report was not read by the chap in charge on that day.


However, what I think people don't remember is the culture of football of the day. These Liverpool fans were the same ones who were involved in the Heysel disaster and had a reputation for causing trouble.

It has been acknowledged that Liverpool fans turned up late to "charge" the gates to gain entry without tickets, although this was not stated as a significant contributory factor to the deaths, it certainly was in the minds of the police.

The whole priority of the police was crowd control NOT crowd safety. It is unbelievable that this could happen today as the whole culture of the game has changed, becauase of the events of that day. If that day hadn't happened, perhaps we'd still be banned from Europe!

And at the end of the day I didn't see any evidence of a single policeman pushing fans down that tunnel.

 

I can see another similar disaster happening at Swilsboro one day in the future as well. I reckon the Pigs should have built a completely new stand. Some woman who lost her son in it said on SSN yesterday that Liverpool should have been handed the FA Cup that year. I don't see why Liverpool should be handed something when their own fans were responsible for the death of their own innocent fans. The club and fans didn't learn anything from Heysel. Two of the biggest three footie disasters were the fault of Liverpool. If we look hard enough we might be able to link them to the Munich air disaster as well.

 

What a wonderful thing hindsight is...its always easy to point the finger...all the arguing in the world isnt going to bring those poor souls back. Yet it could all have been different if we had thought things through and listened to the clues... Long before this date on 14th February...1981 we were a 3rd division team playing a first division team Middlesborough... in the FA cup we were herded by the local police into a small segment of the ground.. totally inadequate for the travelling Barnsley fans yet we were told to push those in front of us... we did till we became those being pushed till we couldn t breathe.... and the police watching from the touch line laughed... then children who had collapsed were passed over our heads to the front and still the police did nothing...eventually they released some of us to sit with a 1/3 empty middlesborough crowd..unbeleavably no one was seriously injured... I have written to the health and safety people with regard to Hillsborough to day...it is still a death trap... remember when we beat them at the pigsty this year.... how many of you think you could have escaped had a fire started in the toilets at half time....it was and is a death trap...knock it down....and learn the lesson...

 

What a wonderful thing hindsight is...its always easy to point the finger...all the arguing in the world isnt going to bring those poor souls back. Yet it could all have been different if we had thought things through and listened to the clues... Long before this date on 14th February...1981 we were a 3rd division team playing a first division team Middlesborough... in the FA cup we were herded by the local police into a small segment of the ground.. totally inadequate for the travelling Barnsley fans yet we were told to push those in front of us... we did till we became those being pushed till we couldn t breathe.... and the police watching from the touch line laughed... then children who had collapsed were passed over our heads to the front and still the police did nothing...eventually they released some of us to sit with a 1/3 empty middlesborough crowd..unbeleavably no one was seriously injured... I have written to the health and safety people with regard to Hillsborough to day...it is still a death trap... remember when we beat them at the pigsty this year.... how many of you think you could have escaped had a fire started in the toilets at half time....it was and is a death trap...knock it down....and learn the lesson...

 

Is there only Dreamboy and me can see this at Swills bough as he halls it ...everyone visiting the place should demand its demolition.....

 

I hate the upper tier. Felt proper squashed in the concourse when we played there this season. Only like 3 people can walk in a line down the steps in one go, so if one of the idiots who smoke in the bogs at half time started a fire I would say their would be an huge chance people would die due to the lack of room to move. The stand looks really old as well so would probably go up in flames pretty quickly.

 

My fears exactly....the question is will any of the people in authority see it ....not until it happens they wont....

 

The other way round i'm afraid

The police have to accet some responsibility for opening the gate and giving liverpool fans the OPTION of doing what they KNEW was wrong.

As i've said before if I left my car unlocked with the keys in the ignition and it was stolen then yes I would have to hold my hands up and say i'd been stupid but at the end of the day if someone came along and stole my car just because they had the opportunity to do so then THEY were still ultimately at fault. Liverpool fans went into that area just because they had opportunity and so THEY crushed their own fans.

To put it another way, if every fan who shouldn't have gone into that area had resisted the temptation to go through an open gate into it then would those at the front have been killed by too many fans being in the area? The simple answer to that is that no they wouldnt.

 

But they arent reporting it without bias

They are reporting it totally biased towards liverpool fans.

Another report on sky news from a woman SAT in another stand has just said that they swell of fans forced her onto the pitch so she was blaming the police. Eh? Sat in another stand and was forced onto the pitch? Whats that all about?

Another said earlier that he had travelled without a ticket and still blamed the police because they opened the gates allowing him in.