Man arrested

All roads lead to Rome ( via Wakefield )

 

Chris Jackson was the player, he was tipped for good things in the game having played in the England youth setup. Remember it well when he had his accident, poor lad.

 

I think people ought give up wtth post now . Its being used as a gossip coluon the back of six people losing their lives…..ffs show your condolences on the other post about the awful accident…..nothing more to say, but I hope none of the families are reading this, if it was my family I wouldnt want discussed on everyforum going…..privacy is besat times like this

 

Nobody has said the biker wasn’t at fault. Or indeed the driver of the focus.

All we know is that a third car may have been involved and that the driver had been arrested under investigation. He’s guilty of nothing at this point.

He just didn’t happen to be in the collision or lose his life. The investigation might well exonerate him.

The other six have paid the ultimate price regardless of fault in the collision.

 

No taken down a while back

 

Tbh mate I haven’t read much on this post other than ppl giving their experience of driving (or drivers) in general.

Don’t think there is much to complain about. Most people have been quite respectful regarding the news tbh.

 

What I am saying is that if I was part of the families concerned I wouldn’t appreciate a post initially about my family losing their lives being turned into a debate about car drivers…..audi , bmw or whoever……I would be fuming….give privacy to all concerned is my view, obviously not shared by others on here.

 

As the national speed limit is 70 mph, but it is generally accepted that the police don’t prosecute anyone till they’ve gone past 80 mph, why not restrict cars to a maximum top speed of say 85 mph.
Perhaps then, anyone caught doing more than the revised top speed limit, and the manufacturer could both be charged with motoring offence.

 

Ok….that’s your view.

For me personally…..if it wasn’t for this forum posting the go fund me link….I wouldn’t have seen it to donate as I’m not on Facebook etc…

There’s some good ppl on here with good intentions.

Unfortunately with tragic events like this…..if you go looking for speculation you will find it in most forums or social media.

Maybe focus on the good that ppl have posted on here and because of this forum…..have donated towards the young girls future.

My feeling is that this board has been very respectful in general with what’s happened with some really good folk contributing.

 

You will generally find that cars are built to a common spec across a wider region. The limits are different in different countries and in some cases are higher than ours (eg. 130kmph or 81mph) and in Germany in particular, certain stretches of the autobahn have no limit. So suggesting that, just for the UK, the car has to be restricted to 85mph is not really viable.

As a good example of this concept, Kia and Hyundai cars have a facility in the Korean spec to stick an SD card in a slot near the glove box and use the in built cameras, that alre already there for cruise control etc, as dash cams. Saves having to faff around installing dash cams separately. Great idea, and I'd love to see that in UK cars. But Kia/Hyundai have a common spec across Europe for their cars, and this feature is not included because the concept of dash cams is banned in some European countries.

 

We need a national debate about speeding in my opinion.

 

We need a national debate about standards of driving in general. Speeding for sure, but it has had all the focus for years because it is an objective offence and can be measured by cameras. But other offences are notoriously common and getting worse such as

1. Tailgating
2. Lane weaving
3. Middle lane hogging
4. Undertaking
5. Use of phone while driving, which now has a large fine and more points than before, but is still unacceptably commonplace

 

I did a bit of an experiment on the way home from work today. I tried to keep an eye on 'bad driving' by others to see if there was a common theme. The 3 worst instances I noticed were 3 different demographic of people in 3 very different cars, displaying very different traits of poor driving. I had a lady in a Hyundai SUV tailgating me, an older gent in a Bentley hogging the outside lane well below the speed limit, and a young guy in a Civic type-S speeding.

I genuinely think people notice the behaviour of drivers of certain vehicles more than others just because it's become quite a common complaint online. I actually think I've encountered more poorly driven Golf and Ibiza drivers, more than anything.

And I just want to point out, I don't drive a BMW or Audi before anyone says anything

 

It won't be that many years in the grand scheme of things until people driving cars is the exception and you'll need a special licence to do it. Majority of journeys will be by computer driven cars and I suspect most will look back on the deaths on the road in a similar way to people do that of smoking.

"Why did they let people drive at those speeds?"

 

I know someone who racked up 21 points all through speeding, got banned for 6 months, continued to drive throughout the 6 months, got pulled over by the police while disqualified, was let off, got his licence back after 6 months with zero points on it (apparently they get wiped when you lose your licence) and racked up another 9 points within a year of getting it back.
His insurance? £250 a year because he's over 60.

Absolutely ridiculous. Should be uninsurable and given a lifetime ban in my opinion.

I got 3 points for speeding and didn't care about the fine or the slight increase in my insurance premiums (if there was any at all I didn't really notice it) , I was more annoyed that I'd done it because I didn't realise I was speeding at all and I felt like a criminal and a *beep* for doing it.

I always use cruise control or speed limiter on a motorway or long duel carriageway or the speed limiter if it's a road or area I'm not familiar with because I find it so easy to do 40 in a 30 completely by accident so if I'm not sure I put the limiter on so that I can't do it.

I don't do loads of miles but 75% of my driving is on the motorway and the driving that I see is horrendous. Just this morning I saw someone going down the M1 on their phone with some kind of parcel or item completely covering their passenger window and their back window. Not a chance that they could see out of anything other than the front window and drivers mirror but then I doubt they were looking as they were on their phone.
I've noticed that different demographics seem to exhibit different behaviours. The elderly seem to go excessively slow which I think is really dangerous as it causes frustrations and tempts people to take risks to get round them. Young women tend to sit in the middle or outside lane at a slow speed causing people to undertake them. Younger people in Audi's or BMW's floor it like absolute dicks and the 'professional' looking middle aged men in anything resembling an expensive car will undertake, swerve, get right up your arse or speed. They're by far the worse imo and it doesn't matter what car brand they have particularly it's more the class of car. Oh and van drivers are the worst for being on their phone.

Not that it's all of them but they seem to be the pattern I see.

My worst driving habit? I have a tendency to get way too close to the car in front without realising and then I notice and back off to an excessive distance which must really confuse the car in front. It's something I'm very conscious about but still somehow manage to do it again.

 

Did he tell you that? Because that sounds a bit far fetched in my opinion unless it was quite a number of years ago.
I'm on maximum no claims bonus and have been for 40 years and haven't paid as little as that for at least 5 years.

 

He told us but not in a boasting way or anything like that, it was in a conversation about general outgoings. His points have all been in the last few years too so now idea how he gets it so low but then I've noticed a few close friends and family members paying crazily low premiums despite a less than perfect driving record

 

Mine’s around that, possibly slightly less, if I don’t add any extras like breakdown or hire car cover.

 

If he was as cavalier as you suggest, driving whilst disqualified, there is a strong chance he doesn't tell the insurance company about his points.

The good thing about that would be that the £250 he spent would have been a waste of money, at least from the perspective of his level of cover, because if he claimed, they would check and then refuse his claim.

 

Third party? I can't see him getting it that low any other way.