MAN URE beaten at the game the pioneered years ago..."BUYING THE TITLE"..

Re: OM feckin GOD just how naive are you Archey

So people dislike Man Utd because they've become a successful business? It's got nothing to do with the Munich disaster. I find it sad that people dislike Man Utd for 'buying the title' which they clearly haven't, and yet jump on the City/Chelsea bandgwagon when they actually do buy the title.

Today is a dark day for football, City have done what Blackburn and Chelsea have done before them, but on a completely new level.

 

Just one question for the people supporting Man U on this. How are clubs supposed to compete with United, or should they all just accept that United are a commercial giant and let them win everything? Without massive investment to gain success nobody has a chance of competing with them.

 

I'm not sure, but i'm certain that the way the likes of Man City are carrying on isn't the way. As soon as the Shiekh pulls out, they're left with a massive wage bill and no way of paying players wages. Admin in no time, then they'll be crying poverty just like Portsmouth.

 

City can't fill their ground, probably won't next year, bankrolled by a load of arabs looking for a hobby. Probably go on to dominate English football now until the arabs get bored.

 

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Great post. Success funded by having business savvy to create a commercially successful company in becoming the biggest most popular club in the world. That money reinvested into the team. Man City have spent hundreds of millions to win the title on GOAL DIFFERENCE to what can be argued as one of the worst Man Utd teams during the Sir Alex era.

 

Re: OM feckin GOD just how naive are you Archey

Won it on GOAL DIFFERENCE but they won it so it matters not 1 jot.

 

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Yes we know they won it. But the point is "only just". They deserved to win it, as they were the better team over the season, but they barely scraped through at the end when they should've won by a country mile given the difference in funding available. Ferguson proved himself (yet again) to be by far the better manager getting out of his relatively meagre squad what he did. All credit to Pardew as well.

 

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Would it be such a problem if Barnsley had millions spent on the squad and only win on goal difference or would it not matter?

 

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I would find it hard to support Barnsley, quite frankly, if someone came in and threw $500 million at them and said "here you go, go win something and make me happy" - it would go against my principles. Yes, I know there's a line to be drawn - I would love someone to come and give us $10 - $20 million to keep us "competitive", but what has happened at City is obscene IMO. Same for Chelsea. Ordinarily I would be supporting a British team in the Champions League final but want Bayern Munich to win because their success has been achieved the "right way".

 

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So any oil rich Arabs needn't bother showing a interest in Barnsley due to the principle?

Well I for 1 would love it to happen so I must be lower than a sewer rat

 

Re: OM feckin GOD just how naive are you Archey

Whatever you think about Manure it's below the belt to bring Munich into the argument.

 

That is nonsense, still only 11 players in their team each game regardless of investment.

 

I don't see what the problem is. Football has changed these last 10 years and to be successful, you have to invest in todays game. If nobody invested (whether it be via rich owners or not) Man Utd would walk the title year on year. This is because of the money they generate themselves which I aint condoning at all but nobody would be able to compete with them financially. How boring was it in the mid to late nineties where it was just Man Utd season upon season?

In todays game, unfortunately, it takes money to be successful and their aint just Man City at it. Likes of Malaga in Spain and Paris St Germain are at it. For me, it freshens the game up seeing new clubs challenging for trophies that they couldn't have dreamed of challenging for 10 years ago.

What I will say though is that football is a money ridden business. Players now expect bigger wages, clubs take big sponsorship deals on and the Tv rights get bigger every year. Who were the first club to get rich via all this? Man Utd. They were the ones to spend big first, pay the big wages first, take the big sponsorship deal first leaving all the other teams in catch up. There is and was no other way to challenge them without a club bringing in an outside source to fund for a title challenge. Other clubs just dont generate enough financial power the way Man Utd do around the world. For me, I congratulate Man City as there was never gonna be another way for them to be successful. What you also need to remember is that money sometimes doesn't guarantee success. You need to buy right and spend wise. City have done that.

 

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Agreed - plus I'd prefer Spurs to be in the Champions League next season than Chelsea, so I am actually supporting a British team when watching the final!

 

Re: OM feckin GOD just how naive are you Archey

A quote from the redcafe.net Man United forum..


"Firstly let's get it out the way, yes, I'm bitter.

Bitter, but I'm also proud. Proud to support a team that has worked it's way up to the top of the footballing world through years of success. We are a footballing force respected the world over for the hard work that has gone into our achievements. Yes, we've spent a few bob along the way but we've also earned every single penny of that through money that is directly related to our hardwork and performances on the field. Every penny we spend isn't a sign of us "buying a title" it's a sign of our success in the past.

I love the rivalry we have with Liverpool, I hate them, but I respect them. The same went with Leeds a few years back and Arsenal now.

I don't have a single ounce of respect for you, nor Chelsea, both your team's "success" have nothing to do with any sort of hard work that has been put in over the years, it has nothing to do with any talent your coaches have produced nor with talent born anywhere near your club.

So, if you go on and win the league this season or next season, I'll be smiling in the knowledge that deep down, you know you can't really be proud of your team. Not like a United, Liverpool or Arsenal can of their team. So it doesn't matter how successful you are from here on in, you'll never have any real respect from any neutrals and it'll never feel anything like how we feel when we win something. All you'll have is the same empty feeling like when you are struggling on Football Manager so you edit the game to give to a few hundred millions, any success after that just feels wrong."

 

So you agree that they are ridden with debt? If they were making so much money and not buying players, then why not pay off the debt?

 

they dont need to pay off the debt,this is big business we're talking about here,profits are adjusted against debt,lower profit=lower tax bills,all these big clubs are owned by multi million or even billionaires,they know exactly what they are on with and how to run a business,,,,they have so much wealth the debt is irrelevent.

 

fd

 

They have been paying 80million a year in INTEREST payments, thanks to the Glazers (that's why the Ronaldo money wasn't spent on new players that summer). Last time I checked, they still owed over 600million - not even Manchester United can pay that off in one fell swoop, continue to run the club AND try to remain competitive.

 

Just one further comment to make here. It was on TalkSport yesterday the starting lineup costs from Sunday's games. I forget the exact figures but it was something like: Man Utd £169m - Man City £161m. Read into that what you will.

Yes Utd are a sound business model and have done things successfully over a period of time. However, as soon as they had their first sniff of success (being the first ever Premier League winners) $ky gave them a golden ticket financially - since then all the kids wanna play for Man Utd. When I was a young un everyone wanted to play for Liverpool, cos they were the successful club at the time. Utd were just lucky to be the first ever winners of the Prem, and since then they haven't looked back. As Royston Tyke says above, if this spending didn't occur then Utd would win everything all the time. And how many of us can say that would make for an interesting season? Whatever anyone says, Sunday was bloody good enjoyment!