Yet again some abuse for one of our players. Any player would be an idiot to consider joining us if they look on here first.
Abuse of players or an honest assessment based on the fact that they are not very good players and that we survived last season because another team had points deducted?
That's a bullsh1t argument and gets right on my tits. We didn't survive because of that. If we'd have spent money we couldn't have afforded, we'd have probably finished further up the league. If Pompey had only spent what they could, they might have been bottom three. All ifs and buts. We stopped up because we had more points than them. Full stop. Site Admin - I know you can ignore single users, but can we ignore groups of fowk? So if Conan, Ryhill and Supertyke post in a thread will you hide it from me? Ta.
It's definitely not only Foster/McNulty's fault. Course some goals were and they need to get better, but McEveley & Wiseman weren't great defensively either. Also, any team in the World would conceded goals if their midfield was as bad as ours was in the second half of the season and can't keep the ball or score to give us something to defend. Also, before January we were pretty open and attacking (Cardiff, Ipswich, Peterborough etc). So to blame a centre half for our overall record is mental.
I think what is interesting is that in the heaviest defeats I mentioned on another thread (Cardiff, West Ham, Reading, Ipswich), Drinkwater played in two of those games and Perkins played in three. Drinkwater also played away at Peterborough when we so under the cosh at one point it was embarrassing. What's also interesting is that when we were supposedly playing well (up to and including the Leeds game) we conceded 36 league goals. After everything went to pot we conceded 38 so not much worse really.
You cannot say things like that because we were absolutely fantastic until January and we lost the whole team!
Sorry! I remember back to half time against Derby when we 3-0 up. I don't think anyone mentioned Drinkwater, Butterfield or Vaz Te except to say "Who needs......."
I agree Dyson. We didn't stay up because Pompey had 10 points deducted. We where safe, if wr where in trouble i have no doubt we would have been as bad as we where. We needed something to play for, we have got a win from somewhere in the final months, problem was out season finished way to early. But just don't get knocking the confidence of our own players, Like with Buttetfield , if he does go, maybe reading this forum helped his decision. And in that case, his critics will be happy when where left with an emergency loan from Huddersfield in the last few months of the season. By the way, on reflection. What does say about Hudds chances this season if Higgingbottom went on to help Hudds go up. I think they will go straight back down.
Supposedly? After the victory over Derby at the end of January, we were 13th, six points from the play offs and seventeen from the relegation places. We WERE doing well, we WERE playing some attractive football, we WERE scoring goals regularly and creating chances. Why do folk try to deny this actually happened? The last three months were as dreadful as anything I've seen as a fan. But that doesn't negate what went on before. The last three months were NOT indicative of what happened previously. Fair enough, we were **** all season, we had no players of any discernable talent, we deserved to be relegated because we didn't spend money we didn't have like Portsmouth (who obviously deserved to stay up and would've accumulated the same number of points within the inferior players they'd have had to play), we have a poor manager. However, if someone dares questions me over these issues, I'll claim I'm being realistic, I don't wear rose tinted glasses, I'll claim the optimists won't allow me to voice my opinions, I won't give any credit whatsoever to the club even when it's due (but I'll claim otherwise), I won't admit I'm ever wrong. Rant over, from someone who's obviously not a real fan.
Spot on kev, unfortunately some fans always seem to want to find a negative in everything the club does, even if there isn't a negative they will go looking for one, we are still a championship side, we looking stronger on paper at least than we have done for a while, just ask the bradford city's of this world which position they would prefer to be in,
Re: Supposedly? So in summation, McNulty is class, Foster is quality, Golbourne is the best full back outside the Premiership, Collins is the new De Zeeuw, Perkins is better than Redders and Drinkwater was a legend. Yet we still concede **** loads of goals. Jay Machiavelli must be worse than I thought. Even the games he didn't play in he was at fault.
Do you really think Barnsley fans are the worst in the Country? Go have a look at some others, they make the people on here seem saintly!!!!
Re: Supposedly? We were doing well in SOME games and playing some crap, not every game was fantastic We were playing SOME attractive football and just as much crap , not always great football. We were scoring goals, but we WERE CONCEDING them also, which is the whole point of this thread, well that is my take on it. It seems that even you Kev are capable of not seeing the whole story and are forgetting the bad bits! Yes we did play some of the best football, but we also played some bloody good stuff with Hammill in the team. The last 3 months of the season were played with Hill`s players, ones he brought in because he thought they were good enough, they proved to be far from it, yet it seems that these players are going to be world beaters! How?? I think we will have a better season than last, not because of anything other than , we cannot be any worse. Oh and by the way I still cannot stand Hill`s fookin voice!! So that automatically negates any opinion I may have!
I'm not forgetting the bad bits Anymore than you and others ignore the good bits. Neither am I saying the likes of McNulty, Perkins, Golbourne, Dawson & Collins have played like world beaters and are going to be top class players this coming season. What I AM saying is that I'm not prepared to write off their Barnsley careers so soon and will be patient enough to give them more time. If that means I'm accused of being short sighted and incapable of seeing the bigger picture, so be it.