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Not necessarily.

There are three routes to herd immunity.

1 - Everyone is equally susceptible to the infection but a vaccine is developed and enough people are vaccinated to prevent further spread of the pathogen.

2 - Everyone is equally susceptible to the infection but enough people contract the disease and develop immunity which prevents further spread of the pathogen.

3 - Not everyone is equally susceptible to the infection. Via a combination of innate immunity and enough people who are susceptible to the disease contracting it and developing immunity further spread of the pathogen is prevented.

Actually there's a 4th - a combination of 1 & 3 but, as you said, we don't have a vaccine. Anyone whose plan involves something that doesn't, and may never, exist should not be listened to. It's land of the fairies.

Every model developed on how the virus would spread did not factor in any variance in susceptibility. All real world data on how it has actually spread suggests there is one. I got it, I was susceptible, you may not be.

Train and protect care and nursing staff. Develop better, more comfortable PPE for these people. This will be expensive, but a fraction of the cost of the current legislation. This will, in turn, protect the most vulnerable. Return the healthy to normal life, whose chances of dying from Covid-19 compared to every other means of death is so small it doesn't register.

 

This is something that isn't being reported in main stream media but seems very Important. We are seeing countries with very similar trajectories on both infections and deaths, regardless of how strict the measures are.
I don't know what we could do differently as a result of this but I find it shocking it's not even being discussed.

 

I have read that some people have a level of immunity from previously suffering from a coronavirus-based cold (a specific cold variant). This was a while ago so don't have any further details.

 

Isnt real life somewhere between point 2 and 3.

The human immune system is a wonderous thing.

And unless people are intent on existing for the rest of their life within four walls I think its time people who have a minimal roskput their big boy pants on and trusted the human body.

Covid 19 even with comorbodities included once PHE have adjusted their figures post Government review wont even beat a bad out break of the flu in terms of victims.

 

I've seen very little too. With the amount of testing now going on and the level of cases, the cases during the peak must have been massively underreported.

 

https://www.smh.com.au/national/vic...9-more-coronavirus-cases-20200804-p55ibk.html

Another day where every death in Victoria is locked up in aged care, but the whole state can't get on with everyday life. The country is going to ruin their tourism trade if they don't change tact before the country starts warming up again in the next few months. It's different to over here where I think the UK has more herd immunity then we realise for us to keep announcing infection rises but deaths not rising in proportion or at all.

 

The cases *now* are massively underreported, but given our mortality vs case ratio is appalling (officially 15%!!!) either it was a lot higher throughout, or our health care system failed badly (and was hidden). From the number of NHS employees around various forums that doesn't appear to be the case.

See above. The UK has (officially) 306000 cases of COVID and 46210 deaths - that is a 15% mortality rate. (For comparison, worldwide is 18.2M cases and 692000 deaths = 3.8%).

Worldwide, COVID-19 has killed 3x more people than Swine Flu in 2009/10 and is approaching the 57/58 Asian (Hong Kong) flu at 1-4million deaths. A long way below Spanish Flu, but it is still accelerating in many countries with large populations.

 

A sauna will kill the virus. That is a fact.

 

A Sauna with vodka and lithe Belarusan girls will kill me.

That is a fact.

 

Great way to go. I once dated a Polish gymnast. That nearly killed me.

 

Once the false reporting gets taken care of. The numbers in the Uk alone will drop around 30%.

Did you know in Holland a country that has C4500 flu deaths a year has only had 94
So far this year.. getting put down as Covid deaths.

Covid has a 99% recovery rate. But like many viruses it ***** those with underlying health issues eg morbid obesity.

Barnsley is one of the fattest towns in the UK. I am looking at potentially losing everything to protect people who cant even look after themselves...

Perhaps we start looking at our Nordic cousins who have inside three months gone from having a peak to being back to almost normal.

 

Joe Rogan?

 

It's a serious point.

My gym is shut at the minute, but the sauna is 95 degrees celsius normally. The virus cannot exist at that temperature. I was born with a hole in my heart & suffered chronic bronchitis most of my life till I started doing 2 15 minute sauna sessions 4-5 days a week. Never had a cold or infection since.

 

If you listen to Joe Rogan , he is all over using sauna to combat the virus.

He has one every day I think

 

They clearly believe this is a significant problem and one that would outweigh any tourism issues in the long-term. It wouldn't be done if it was not.

 

A 99% recovery rate means little in somewhere like Brazil though. Hardly anyone dies of flu there either because of the climate. So covid kills 99% more people than flu does in Brazil ( and tens of thousands of the poor souls to boot)

 

Latest report from Italy suggests around 2.5% of people have antibodies, with ~27% of cases asymptomatic.

 

Only about 10% of Brazils annual deaths are from the Flu so its not "hardly anyone".

ITs also home to the Favelas. . Cramped over crowded housing where any kind of virus spreads quicker than a fart in a lift.

 

Sgnificantly wrong. Less than half that die from flu and pneumonia (4.9% so probably around 1.5% from flu). I think historically it's 1 per 100,000 per population from influenza.[/QUOTE]
Hugely lower than the UK which is a reflection on climate.

 

People power cannot be stopped. The locals have had enough of being in one of the longest lockdowns in the world.