Milan Lalkovic

They don't count.

Only goals where the player tackles and wins the ball himself, then goes on a mazy run beating defenders before firing past the keeper from 25 yards count.

If you don't like a player anything he does well just doesn't matter. Your own prejudices are not to be questioned.

 

Correct and 'Like'.

 

Unless it's Jennings.

 

Sorry for my sins I missed the Orient game. So I'm in absolutely no position to judge that one. I don't even remember anything about the game barring Turnbulls sending off. How many goals have we scored from corners I have no idea. This isn't all down to the set peice though surely. We have a bigger side and are playing against poorer defenders. That has to be taken into account. If we're talking corners, I wonder what percentage hit the first man rather than actually making it into the danger area?

Like I said. This is just my opinion, I just don't see at the moment how he justifies his position, especially as Captain. Maybe if he was moved further up the pitch into a more dangerous area and was used more as an attacking force rather than the defensive one that he's currently employed in his form Would pick up to where it was earlier in the season? Let Digby, Pearson and the new lads from Wycombe do his running.

 

Definitely agree with that if you have a player who is better than the rest you play to his strengths and build the team around him evaluating any weaknesses and putting players alongside them who can do the donkey work.

Hourihane's success rate as a corner taker is very good compared to Man City 2 goals from 146 corners, Arsenal 4 from 168. Not seen stats for our division but I suspect he would be the top assist provider from corners in the league

 

Hourihane should be playing as a false no 9 or in a free role. There are any number of players you go make the anlaogy about I suspect Austin has other duties but they pale into insignificance compared to what he his meant to do.

Most of the penalties he has taken he's actually won. Without him and his goals/assists we would be adrift at the bottom of the table with about 10 points

 

Lets have it right. I'm not writing him off. He has the potential to be superb and at times this season has been. Just at the moment it's not working. Whether that's down to a lack or form or tactics I don't know. The only remedy is either a change of tactics and like you said build the team around his strengths or continue to play the way we are with different personel.

 

I didn't go to Crewe, but I'm fully aware that his corner led to our winning goal from Cranie. Therefore I won't try and claim it didn't happen. His delivery from corners has brought about quite a few goals this season, winning us the points. As well as the Crewe match, who took the corner to win the game at Rochdale? Who took the corner to win the game at Sheffield United? Who took the corner to win the game against Colchester? Who took the corner to get us a point at home to Doncaster? Just a few examples.
If he has areas of his game which need improving (and how many Barnsley players have never needed to?), perhaps others ought to make up for his short comings? There's certainly none, with the exception of Winnall, who come anywhere close to his goalscoring and goals assists contribution, so it's only fair that they make up the difference in some other way.
Just offering up an alternative viewpoint.

 

Completely agree. It's no good him being sat deep. That's not his game BUT is where he is currently being employed, hence his shortcomings

 

To be fair mate I'm not claiming anything 'didn't happen'. I just have no knowledge of the game.

I'm fully aware of all the other goals from corners as I was at Rochdale, Crewe, Sheff United. Again though I'd hasten to add, the defending for all those goals, especially at Sheff Utd was dire. Granted it was Hourihane that put it into the right area for us to get on the end of it so I suppose your right.

Again. I'll say it. I'm not writing him off. Just recent performances have been very poor. That is just about team wide though. The thing I find the worst about CH is he has the talent but at times not the application. Dare I say it.......a bit Mellis esq.

 

The reason I made the point is because you'd claimed the only time he'd scored recently was via the penalty spot. Although why goals from penalties don't count, or are deemed 'lesser' goals, is something I've never understood. His form hasn't been great recently. But every player at every club has always had a drop in form at some stage in a season. Another issue I can never understand is when a player makes such a huge contribution to our team and the season, it's necessary for some to focus on what he doesn't do, rather than what he does. However, the same people never come on here and query why player X, Y or Z aren't scoring or assisting as many goals as Hourihane.
As I said earlier, I'm simply offering up an alternative viewpoint.

 

I like it! Nothing better than a healthy debate. We're all wanting the same thing at the end of the day and that's improved performances and improved results. As for the penalty thing, they are not diminished in terms of importance, but it doesn't have to be Hourihane taking them. I'm sure Super Sammy could take that on when he comes back if he needed to.

As for you last point. Not worth querying most of the others is it. They offer little to nothing which is why CH's dip in form and the missing of Winnall have become far more important/relevant.

 

Actually, mate, this is what the BBS is all about. Two, or more, posters offering alternative views on an issue and doing so without resorting to personal abuse.

 

But apart from that?

 

btt

 

What's that then? Made at least one goal with an in off the keeper, and an assist last night for Hemmings.

 

To be honest mate I like him as a player, he's certainly got pace to run at the opposition, we are very close to been able to field our strongest team plus while ever we are picking up wins it will breed confidence in the team. I don't want to speak too soon but I think Saturday will be a good test to see if we have turned a corner.

 

Which match was you at

 

Don't get what you mean mate?

 

Same as me by look of things he was very good last night