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Can you please explain what you consider "cancel culture" to be, and how this is an example? I'm genuinely interested.

 

I’m absolutely certain that if Adam Hammill played for another team, or if he was at Barnsley during a period you didn’t like the manager or ownership, you’d be absolutely apoplectic with what he did.

 

Actually in this specific instance I wouldn't because I know personally of things he has done of a positive nature but I get your point. I do think the Ched Evans thing is different though because he's never seen anything wrong in what he did.

 

I don't have the energy to go into all that mate, but I think his questioning of the media on a lot of things is right and shouldn't be met with derision. I think the fundamentals of cancel culture is when a name is tarnished en masse unnecessarily, and that person loses credibility/work etc./reputation, usually due to a media witch hunt. Take the Daily Mail, they printed a story on Le Tissier without even interviewing him, claiming he is "anti-vax". He explained his isn't anti-vaccination, he's had all his vaccinations apart from the covid one, which he has reservations about, which I can understand. Now, the cancel culture element comes in because every time his name comes up now, most people will roll their eyes, scoff etc and a lot of those people won't even know why they're doing it (i.e. they don't dig further into what he is saying), they will just dismiss him as an anti-vax, conspiracy theorist because that is the general narrative that has been assigned to him by media, gossip etc. This scenario we are talking about, he has liked a tweet and put 'this' regarding not being able to trust a mainstream media that has consistently lied to us. But now he has had to resign from his role as ambassador. People say 'well, he's entitled to his opinion, it's free speech and it's our right to use our free speech to counteract it', which is correct. But when people lose their jobs, reputation, credibility etc for daring to speak out against the media it goes beyond the right to free speech - it actually nullifies their voice because of the way the media goes after them.

I don't agree with people that say cancel culture doesn't exist, in the same way people dismiss 'wokeness' as right-wing propaganda. I think both are alive and well.

 

That's a generous reading of his stance on it, he's been very happy to speculate that it's causing footballers to collapse, including Christian Eriksen who it turned out hadn't even been vaccinated. Saying he's not "anti vax" because he has no issue with other vaccines is a bit like saying someone isn't racist because they only dislike black people.

Free speech does not mean freedom from the consequences of your words.

 

You need to look at that statement in isolation, not use an analogy to racism as that has nothing to do with it, and that isn't the same. To flip that, you can't say someone who has had every vaccination from birth except the covid one is 'anti-vax'. If you are 'anti-vax' you are against vaccination of any kind. Vaccinations didn't start with astra-zeneca.

And i agree with your last statement, but is the witchhunt and ridicule really justified and does it measure up with what he's said? You may think so.

 

But I'm not saying that am I? What I am saying is that it's fair to call someone who baselessly speculates that the vaccine is responsible for health issues (and is later proven false) an anti-vaxxer. Especially given that in the current context, references to "vax" and "anti vax" are commonly understood to relate primarily to the Covid vaccine.

 

I'm not going to get into a wrestling match with you, but you did say that in effect: 'Saying he's not "anti vax" because he has no issue with other vaccines is a bit like saying someone isn't racist because they only dislike black people.' That's what you said, 'saying he's not "anti vax" because he has no issue with other vaccines.." That proves he isn't "anti vax." That term was around long before covid, and it referred to people who are against all vaccinations. Now, people unhelpfully say anyone against the covid vaccine are "anti vax", which is simply untrue.

 

Love how very rich people with access to multiple platforms claim they are victims of cancel culture usually from a newspaper column or tv couch. Delicious irony.

 

The cancelled Matt Le Tissier is appearing live on stage tomorrow.

 

But "anti-vax" used to relate primarily to MMR, so it's clear that it can, and has always, be used to describe people who express fringe reasons for being skeptical of a specific vaccine.

 

Pre-covid, anti-vaxxers were generally against all vaccinations, it was a label typically given to parents sceptical of getting their children vaccinated with traditional vaccines. It's not the same. Anyway Mansfield, we could be here all day and we probably aren't going to agree, but good to chat about this stuff as it's important.

 

It's a q&a in a Gastro pub, it's hardly the Palladium

 

Is ignoring stupid people the same as cancelling stupid people?

If so, I'm a firm believer in cancelling people, I do it on a daily basis.

 

Nearly right it’s where you challenge or ignore rich/famous people. Who then pretend that they don’t have access to multi media platforms to whinge about you ignoring or criticising them.

 

i feel sorry for him. He’s clearly having a mental health episode and needs sone help but instead he was exploited by some fairly dodgy groups.

 

To be fair to him, that chemical attack in Syria was faked, the media showed exactly the same outrage over that, you really do have to question everything as time often reveals a different truth.

But you can't state as fact that it's fake at this point, we sim[ly don't know, it's the "fog of war".