New Manager

Discussion in 'Bulletin Board ARCHIVE' started by Jay, Feb 18, 2015.

  1. ark

    ark104 (v2) Well-Known Member

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    Very true
     
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    You omitted to include 'pigeon **** on seats'
     
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    Cunning Stunt Well-Known Member

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    we've got the option of a lock in and a 24hr licence if required!
     
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    So we aren't rebuilding then, we are demolishing? No wonder we get rid of more players than we sign. I think we have an objective, not a business plan. I haven't seen any sign of a plan in the last 5+ years
     
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    Simon De Montforte Well-Known Member

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    That's a pipe dream mate, football doesn't work like that any more and hasn't done for donkeys years.
    How many of the teams promoted from the various divisions over the past decades have actually made a profit?

    Only Blackpool and Barnsley played by to those rules in the Championship and look where that's got us both.

    Leicester, QPR, West Ham, Hull etc etc wouldn't be earning the vast sums in the Premier League if they'd followed that example.
    Football these days is a bit of a gamble and if Patrick wants to gamble some of his own money in order for us to get promoted then it's fine by me.
    Sometimes the gamble doesn't pay off as this season is proving but if he doesn't want to inject any cash, then we'll just have to get used to lower league football.
     
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    Jay Well-Known Member

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    Possibly, but I can only take him at his word:

    At 5:00, answering a question about what he's looking for in the next manager, Ben says, "We'll reassure the fans that we'll seek to get somebody that can realise their aspirations as well as our own, which is Championship football back at Oakwell at the earliest opportunity."

    It's not all he said on the subject, but I think it's difficult to misinterpret that or take it out of context - The board want promotion. And soon.

    AT 6:35 he says the following, "This is ultimately, you know, a business and yes, you know, football clubs aren't run as businesses, very few are, but what the owner's prepared to do with the support of the sponsors and the supporters that we've got is invest and to look to get a group together that can grow together and that can provide return on investment and then some of that investment goes to, to find the next player that's been sold for a profit, but ultimately then allows that finance, that return on investment, from either academy graduates or players that we've bought, to help run the football club, to take on some of the financial burden that often rests in a large part with Patrick and the Cryne family."

    I don't think I've misinterpreted that either or taken it out of context. Ben Mansford himself separates the money used to purchase players from the money it takes to run the club and tells us that money from player sales will be used for both, instead of us having to rely on Patrick Cryne.

    My argument is that such a system is doomed to failure and until we budget to make a profit or at least break even then we'll never progress because some of the money we do make from player sales will be used to make up the short fall. If we don't manage to sell any players because they don't turn out as good as we hoped, we'll accrue more debt.

    Budget to live within your means, to balance the books from sponsorship and gate receipts and you can use all the money you make from player sales to buy new players and pay their wages and progress as a club.
     
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    Jimmy viz Well-Known Member

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    Agree with much of Jay's post but the model outlined by Ben can I suppose point to both Crewe and Peterborough as relative success stories following a similar model.
     
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    Gordon Ottershaw Well-Known Member

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    Mmm, I would guess that he probably wishes that he had a been a bit more careful in his choice of words there, even if it is true!

    So the next manager needs to bring the crowds back or make big money from players and only if he does both will we stand a realistic chance of mounting a promotion campaign, but if he does both we will most likely already be mounting a promotion campaign, which is a round about way of saying he has to lick the lazy sods that have been stealing a wage recently into shape or he's doomed to failure. So it's time for our more experienced players to try to aim for the level of performance that has recently only been achieved by the young players who prior to this season had either never played a full professional game or had never played at this level!
     

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