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Labour's position is they are in favour of the restrictions, but want more compensation to be paid, so can't agree with the bill as it stands. They can't vote against it, because that would leave us with no restrictions at all. That would be public health suicide. It's quite simple really.

 

Never voted Tory in my life but at least the Tory Wakefield MP has the b@pls to vote against it.

 

My simple take on it is we are now in the odd position of the government being held to account by it's own backbenchers rather than the opposition.

 

Government doesn’t work like that.
All the opposition could do would be to delay a decision, they can’t create government policy.

You’re literally just looking for a scapegoat to blame for something you don’t like. And rather than the obvious (the government), you want to add an unnecessary layer of complexity. You decide Labour are complicit, it’s utter nonsense.

What happens if Labour vote against it? They’d also need the SNP (to vote on an England only issue), and even then there’s no guarantee of a ‘win’. Then what?

Unlike the Karen’s on here, they don’t believe they have all the information to create a more successful policy. Because they don’t have access to the experts. There’s literally no logical outcome where Labour get to impose a ‘better’ outcome for you.

We had the same stupidity over blaming Labour for the Brexit shambles. Just have a think about how Parliament actually works. It’s not complex, the Government are running the government, and atm, that means the Tories.

 

Well it’s nonsense, but you’re entitled to your opinion.

 

No it's not, but you're entitled to yours too.

 

I wonder why a Tory backbencher has access to experts but the Labour party doesn't. That's a bit odd isn't it?

 

Oh Karen

 

He never said they could create policy.

If anything you wrote in this was even remotely close to reality there would be no point in an opposition party at all and no point in them voting in any parliamentary vote.

You're a Labour supporter who believes in lockdown so you've fabricated this utter drivel in an attempt to justify your stance. It's just utter, utter nonsense.

 

You clearly do not know what the insult Karen even means

 

Their balls?

 

Classic Cummings in my opinion. The vote was a stitch up. Gets the Government its own way whilst providing pseudo opposition from its backbenchers leaving the real opposition floundering in choppy waters. I'm not buying it.

 

It is possible to overdose on vitamin D, with long-term symptoms including osteoporosis and kidney damage. You are far more likely to be deficient than overdose, but it isn't completely harmless.

 

It's utter nonsense to believe you can keep reducing infections without having strong enough measures in place. The national lockdown has clearly worked in halving new cases, but that won't continue without adequate restrictions. Look at Wales' experience after their fire break. We lost control in the first place with the bloody stupid Rule of Six.

 

Like that, I may steal it to use elsewhere.

 

The section of Gov. that is dealing with the pandemic all four of them plus Sage have 'real time' dashboards provided by the Intelligence services.

Which is what they should be basing their forecasts on.

Not using week old data to justify the latest lockdown.

Aside from that. Everything is published in the public domain now.

You can find it yourself easy enough.

For example you can get the test results for all the different areas of Barnsley.

 

Whilst that is true, I’m taking one cod liver oil a day with a small amount of vitamin d added, I’m not necking a tub of vitamin d tablets a day. You can overdose on loads of things that are perfectly safe and often beneficial in small quantities.

 

So Jay
If Labour voted against the measures, what happens next?
Is there a consensus amongst the Labour Party as to what they really want? How do they get that.

Let’s pretend we’re having a grown up discussion and you can end a statement without wishing me dead

 

I don't wish you dead. I think you post a lot of extremely poignant ideas. I think your general outlook is similar to my own. But I also think on this point you're very wrong. And I know why and I understand why. But however you want to argue this, a vote is better than no vote. If the Labour party helped vote this down, it doesn't mean they get a say in what it should be done, but it means the conservative party have to come back with something better, something that may be much more palatable, that the Labour party can endorse, even if it's not exactly what they want to do. I don't have a party to vote for because no one will put up any kind of opposition, I'm not alone, and that is not democracy.