Nice lorry attack

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  1. twi

    twillo Well-Known Member

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    In all fairness, I throughly believe this label of all Muslims being terrorists is something a five year old would come out with but there's no denying the Qu'ran does encourage hatred.
     
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    Jay Well-Known Member

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    ****. Glad she's OK. Must have been horrendous.
     
  3. Wat

    Watcher_Of_The_Skies Well-Known Member

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    Last week ISIS detonated a bomb in Mecca, the home of the Muslim faith. They are not Muslims.

    If a group identifying themselves as Christians started bombing Churches, no one would say they were Christian.
     
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    Watcher_Of_The_Skies Well-Known Member

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    Ahh beaten to it by Kamikaze Co-Pilot, well said sir.
     
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    Farnham_Red Administrator Staff Member Admin

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    Wow that must have been awful for you - glad she is OK and hope you all recover from the shock quickly

    Dreadful news for those not so fortunate though
     
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    Farnham_Red Administrator Staff Member Admin

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    Its a bit simplistic either way - yes of course they are terrorists and they claim to be fighting for Islam ( though in the Nice case its too early to accuse anyone - but it probably was an islamic extremist)

    The fact that they are out of step with a majority of Muslims doesnt mean they cant be described in terms of the cause they are claiming to support.

    Bit like saying you cant describe the mob that stormed the upper tier at Wembley by referring to them as Millwall fans
    Most Millwall fans would disown them but how else would you identify them.
     
  7. JamDrop

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    Glad she is ok!
     
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    North Yorks Red Well-Known Member

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    Of course they are, its just that they see themselves as superior to moderate or 'average' Muslims and have little time for them and are as much a danger to them as anybody else
    Regarding the Christian thin, yes of course they would but would be labelled something like extreme or 'so called', its a bit like saying the EDL aren't English, of course they are its just that their views don't match those of 99.9% of the population.
     
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    Seemingly men at it yet again.

    If you don't like being included as one of them on virtue of being a man (if you are male) then maybe be more accurate yourself, even Muslim terrorists is better than just saying Muslims. Yes, they may be Muslims but it seems daft calling them that when they are also terrorists which is a word that describes only them and not a load of innocent people too.
     
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    tyrone1 Banned Idiot

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    Do we even know thst they were a terrorist attack or Muslims
     
  11. Marc

    Marc Administrator Staff Member Admin

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    people are making assumptions that it's IS, but to be fair given what's happened, i think it's a pretty safe assumption
     
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    Xerxes Well-Known Member

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    Another 100,000 votes for the FN in next years elections.
     
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    Marc Administrator Staff Member Admin

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    probably. the vile le pen family and all their supporters, will be seeing a silver lining to these atrocities
     
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    wakeyred Well-Known Member

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    The problem with drawing equivalence between Islam and Christianity in terms of motivation for killing fellow human beings is a complex one. Firstly, if we were to take a look at history - the reformation in Europe and then the enlightenment which swept away the powers of Kings and Queens ordained by God caused a permanent and irreparable split between temporal and spiritual power within Christianity - no longer could Christianity be seen as a political/religious movement, it became a purely religious one. Therefore, no longer could the acts and deeds of its leaders be linked to Christianity - this does not stop ignorant people dragging out the old trope that "Hitler was a Christian" for example, as if this is in some way the same as saying that Abu Musab al-Zarqawi or any number of other leaders of ISIS and Al Qaeda Muslims. No, the difference is that Islam never had its reformation, its break from the political will to rule here on Earth and therefore some of its followers can look to its texts and its past and draw the conclusion that there is a duty within it to use whatever means necessary to fulfill its mission to convert the world its beliefs.
    The nearest you can come to legitimately finding a Christian terrorist who is motivated by direct reference to their beliefs and Holy Book is those who have attacked and on a couple of occasions killed, abortion doctors in the USA in the last 30 years or so.
    Until there is a ban on the export of Saudi clerics and the closing of all schools and Mosques run by Saudi Arabia and its warped Sunni teachings this will never end. You can tell me until you are blue in the face that its no different from any other form of terrorism or that its linked to our foreign policy or treatment of immigrants or any other number of excuses - but the fact remains, whether its the death of gays and atheists in bangladesh or the murder of a shop keeper in Glasgow for wishing people a "happy Easter", there is one thing they all have in common...........
     
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    Marc Administrator Staff Member Admin

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    Yeah. Very little over the last 30 years. How about over the last 2000 years? Christianity is knee deep in blood.
     
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    I blame the Romans
     
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    Its neck deep not knee deep - but the point wakeyred makes still holds Christianity now has mostly stopped fighting "religious" wars. We have secular governments in the USA and UK for example to do that but not in Gods name
    No one claims the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan for example are Christian even though the goverments are nominally Christian ones

    Islam is much more blurred with regligion dominating counties like Christianity did in the Middle ages and some actively encouraging Jihad and aiming for Caliphate - Not saying all Muslims support them - far from it but it is different to Christianity now - maybe in 400 years it will all be different
     
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    Personally I hate ALL RELIGION!...RIP to the victims and thoughts to their loved ones.
     
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    ark104 (v2) Well-Known Member

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    I take the point about Iraq not being a religious war (it certainly wasn't), but could you imagine the outcry if a Muslim head of state had said they'd prayed to their God in making the decision to go to war like Tony Blair did?
     
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    Human terrorists. Don't validate them.

    You do realise that the tiny minority of Muslim terrorist *****s are doing this to get exactly he reaction that you are giving them don't you?
     

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