Nigel Farage and the abolition of the NHS

Getting back to the bent as a nine bob note Farage, hint he sitting pretty on an EU pension that will outstrip any pension you and I will receive for going to Brussels and causing havoc and to say he hates the EU is an understatement the pr1ck should donate it all to the NHS.

 

Try the ONS for current life expectancy, you’ll see your 60 years for NCB workers is miles away from the national stats. A male in England in 2014 would expect 79.5 yrs and a female 83.2.

There’ll be regional variations, but for an insight, my dad was 1 of 9 kids and all that’s left are 2 of his sisters one 80 the other much younger. Most of the blokes worked in mining, we can all see in our own families how that shortens life expectancy considerably.

I’m also aware of the political shenanigans performed on the NCB pension scheme, I’ll just reiterate that NI conts are a lot more transparent.

 

Absolutely, and even though he’s gone back for a further term he has no issue with that.

When questioned about the ‘divorce bill’ which his pension will come from, he was confused that whilst he absolutely ‘deserves’ his pension, ‘we’ shouldn’t have to pay for it.

He doesn’t care how ridiculous that makes him look.

 

i was talking about the average age of death of mineworkers pension scheme members and not the office of national stats

my grandfatha was 52 when he died, so never got access to any pensions.

 

its you that need to stop inhaling as you are completely missing the point of what i've said and nowhere have i said anything is controversial, the figures and average age i gave you were relevant to the mineworkers pension scheme, i was sat in a meeting with the trustees and representatives from the government as it was they who were guaranteeing it.I dont need the ONS to tell me anything, i gave you the mineworkers scheme to back up my claim that many die and never receive a penny despite paying NI contributions all their life.
btw, i admire your trust in government figures, well done you

 

Which is irrelevant as I pointed out. When they’re deciding what we all need to pay in, they know some will never get to claim.

Although as a guess, under the old rules your grandmas pension would have benefitted from your grandads conts (life before equality).
And if your grandad had a superannuation pension your grandma would have got some of that too (just basic pension rules)

 

i'm talking about the state pension he had paid towards, not his pit pension

 

You were using that number to support your flawed theory that somehow the government are conning us. You even suggested the ONS know less than you about what age people are dying because you’ve walked round a graveyard.

But clearly I’m the one who’s mistaken.

 

It’s an intelligent post. Though I have to disagree with the thrust of your argument my friend.

Firstly, any privatisation will undoubtedly exclude UK citizens from the principal of ‘Free at the point of delivery’ based on an insurers score. To maintain that principal, it’s very likely that NI contributions would either increase significantly for us all, or create a two tier system where the rest simply invest privately and opt-opt of the national system. Either way, that would create division between the haves and have nots.

Secondly, look what privatisation has done in dental care? Has choice improved or limited the availability and treatment in places like Barnsley? I’m sorry, but the the amount of folk in tarn with a face like a broken piano seems to have increased. At least even 20 years ago they would get dentures!

The state can and is able to build structures to support their citizens - if they want. Free of lobbyists and commercial interests if they genuinely care. If war can be afforded, so can health. How much was every missile worth, that was sent into a disastrous campaign in Syria?

The UK Government’s contribution to the strikes on Syria alongside the US and French coalition was to fire eight ‘stormshadow’ missiles at one of Bashar Al-Assad’s research facility’s near Homs, alleged to be a chemical weapons site.

The missiles, produced by UK arms manufacturer BAE Systems, cost £790,000 each, coming to a total of £6.32 million. 900 of the missiles were purchased in 1997.

https://www.commonspace.scot/articl...d-uk-could-have-resettled-269-syrian-refugees

Please comment back.

 

On the subject of the thread:

“Everything is on the table. So the NHS or anything else. Or a lot more.” President Trump

I for one am terrified of the car boot sale after the inevitable catastrophic Brexit is concluded.

 

What year was your grandma born?
If she was older than my mum, her pension was almost certainly based on your grandads conts.

So she would have got 2 pensions based on his ‘savings’.

But don’t let the facts stand in the way of your ludicrously unfounded opinions.

 

We do have to think about health care though.

The NHS in its current guise is for want of a better phrase an overweight eating machine.

No matter how much money the incumbent government chuck at it the NHS will always want more. And more.

Until the various political parties grow up and stop using the NHS as political point scoring and sit down together as a cross party group to carry out a root and branch investigation into the NHS, from what illneses have suddenly reappeared through to how much they pay for services then nothing will change.

This arguement will continue until the NHS implodes and theres no choice but to go down the private route.

Health tourism, diseases that were killed off in the UK reappearing en masse, purchasing drugs and equipment at massively inflated prices...

Even if the arguement is it only costs everyone a few a year... just think how financially better off if those things didnt cost us anything...

 

Health tourism - a figment of the imagination of the right wing press - we receive a nett gain from transferable healthcare costs.
Reappearing diseases - I’m afraid even the NHS can cure stupidity. If people vote for ‘austerity’ or believe anti vaxxer ********, then we can’t blame the NHS for that.
You’ll find the drug companies take advantage of markets everywhere, whether public sector or privatised, whether 3rd world or 1st. They engineer markets.
As for equipment, any large purchasing organisation suffers the same fate, idiots believed the right wing media’s ‘obvious’ truth that bigger contracts would be cheaper, it’s s lie.
If you want a pack of toilet rolls you have the choice of hundreds of suppliers and the cost is low. If you want 20,000 packs, there’s a handful of suppliers and they create a cartel.

As for the cost to us? There isn’t a ‘free’ alternative, other than ‘no healthcare’ if you were American you’d be paying 4x as much and if you got a serious illness the insurance co will find a way to weasel out of it and it’ll bankrupt you (the most common cause of bankruptcy in the US is medical bills)
I’m not suggesting the NHS is perfect, but the alternatives aren’t ‘free’ and don’t appear to be any better.
The press will often cherry pick areas where the NHS is 10th in the league, ignoring that 1st for cancer detection may have higher infant mortality rates, or heart care etc. On balance, it might not be the best, but it’s far from the worst.

 

i've told you what the average age of death was within the mineworkers pension scheme as proof that there are people who pay into the system(state pension) and never claim from it.

the huge surplus that both the MPS and BCSSS produce are even more evidence

you are trying your level best to discredit it.

you now pass your own ridiculous claim as 'flippant'

 

Trumps lugs must be burning. Overnight he's now issued a further statement saying the NHS will not be part of any trade deal.

He's meeting Farage whilst he's over here. No doubt Nige will be seeking advice as to the best place to settle in the USA, once he's taken his EU pension and scarpered, because that's his intention. Who knows, he could well end up on the team negotiating the UK/US trade deal. Now that would be interesting.


https://news.sky.com/story/trump-vi...as-he-promises-phenomenal-trade-deal-11735003

 

No its not. Its not as big an issue as the press makes out but it happens.
Several trusts/ccgs employ 3rd party agencies to recover what they can from these patients.

Explain why a disease in TB almost eradicated in the early part of this century is now quite prevailent in certain areas of the country.

The more you buy the cheaper the cost is the usual mantra you are correct.

However, the best way to describe the way the NHS seems to go about purchasing drugs is the cake anaology.

That nice victoria sponge you see in the bakers... its a fiver.
You tell the baker its for a special ocassion such as a wedding its suddenly 50 quid.

There is a number of NHS trust/ccgs that are paying way above the market price for shitroll. Nevermind any actual medical equipment.

 

I still think this thread sounds like JK Rowling's worst ever book.

 

i dont know if it is and no doubt someone will proclaim to know so but seeing that the NHS is a public service paid for out of tax revenue then i think buying costs for medicenes and consumables should be made public..

 

Oh well that's alright then, what a relief. Because we trust Trump implicitly and believe everything he says...don't we?

 

Yes they do! And they should have moved quicker, however...
It doesn’t alter the fact that the UK is still a nett beneficiary when it comes to the reciprocal arrangements we have in place.
So ‘health tourism’ is a myth; the reality is more complicated and as I’ve mentioned before-
The ‘crackdown’ in part led to the ‘wind rush scandal’. That’s what happens when you use blunt weapons against mythical problems instead of well considered policies fit for the real issues.