Nigel Farage and the abolition of the NHS

Poverty.
Nowt to do with the NHS - i’d draw links to ‘austerity’ - why am I repeating my responses? Couldn’t you understand it first time?

 

As a wedding photographer I’m familiar with that accusation.
It’s a myth.
Come and shoot my party?
That’ll be £200
It’s s wedding!
It’s £1000
Is that a ripoff? No! Because a Victoria sponge isn’t the same as a wedding cake. And me shooting a party for 2 hrs and delivering 100 pictures isn’t the same as me shooting for 12 hrs over multiple locations and delivering 600 images.

In reality - as I said above; try buying 10,000 Victoria sponges; that’s the actual problem- a lack of suitable suppliers who create a cartel.

Try buying 50,000 identical computers with a guarantee of spares for 5 years, you’ll find it’s not as cheap as buying a new laptop from pc world.

Just because you’ve got a theory, doesn’t mean it’s accurate. The reality of fulfilling large complex contracts makes them expensive. Smaller leaner contracts are cheaper but riskier. Government organisations are massively risk averse, often for good reason.

 

Firstly the current system we have in use within mental health inpatient services has not led to a "two-tier system". There is not one private mental health hospital that caters purely for private patients. Indeed the only place that has one facility within it solely for paying customers is the Priory at Roehampton, one small ward which we often see in the news when the latest celebrity checks in. It isn't really a mental health ward. The rest of the hospital however caters for NHS patients (99% of).
So if this system has been in place for over 30 years and it hasn't led to a "two-tier" system then why would it be different in general healthcare?
My argument is evidence based and not based on pure hypothesis.
Secondly dentistry. In may 1949 the Labour cabinet expressed concerns regarding the expenditure of the NHS. They had in fact discussed the issue of introducing the first ever NHS charges, the emphasis being on prescriptions. Bevan publicly acknowledged that charges would have to be introduced, famously quoting it would be necessary to reduce "the ceaseless cascades of medicine pouring down people's throats". Chancellor Gaitsgill introduced the NHS Bill on 24 April 1951 which sanctioned the introduction of charges for spectacles and dentures. So it was my party which quickly reneged on the fundamental principle underpinning the NHS.
I refuse to pay for private dentistry treatmemt, at point of use or through insurance. Free treatment is provided as we know to children and people who are in receipt of welfare benefits. I think i pay far too much for my NHS treatments but i'm not so sure the standard of that treatment has declined over the years? Further isn't private dentistry driven by the consumer? I would hazard a guess that many socialists on here have private healthcare insurance. How many people drive the market by paying for their teeth to be super sparkling 'rylanesque' white or have veneers? I guess 50% of all private dentistry income comes from purely cosmetic procedures.
And finally i agree totally that government's have become embroiled in wars and campaigns that they shouldn't have, wars and campaigns that have put a huge strain on our fiscal budgets. Of course this expenditure could have been used towards paying for and improving our social services. But again let's not forget that my party have been a part of this (the billions spent under labour government's in Iraq and Afghanistan being striking examples).
I have no agenda here.
I am a socialist, a NHS staff member and have it to thank for saving my wife's life.
It dismays me to see the NHS being used as a tool for political propaganda. I don't like to see vulnerable people who rely massively on NHS care being frightened when no political party who could ever lead this country has the introduction of universal private healthcare insurance on its manifesto. If one ever does then of course i will be one of those who shouts the loudest.
I would rather that people put their efforts into highlighting something that is actualy real and that is the massive under-funding of the NHS over the last decade.
We see it every shift on our wards, deliberate under-staffing to reach our budgetry requirements and then the lies from our management when its evidenced and highlighted (often by myself) to the CQC.

 

Not in my personal experience.
I used to work for an international company that sold some vital medical equipment.
The high-end equipment in my professional sphere was available to buy from £60-80k. NHS price was circa £120k.
Major manufacturers were all in the same ballpark- a cartel if you like.
Because; to buy- the hospitals had to go to tender, European journal etc. NHS supplies and procurement involved. Trust level management at several levels involved. Play-by-the-book multiple product demonstrations involved, which cost the supplier several thousand a time.
Some staff 'had' to be invited to see the manufacturing facility. In Austria and US.
The process took months due to red-tape. Whereas a clinical background manager could have negotiated and saved their Trust tens of thousands.
If the product was offered at a lower price, NHS supplies became suspicious thinking "why's it it so cheap? Isn't it as good as the product from x,y,z ltd"
Too many fingers in too many pies.
Result? No value for money for the taxpayer.

 

Which is again a more detailed version of my response.
Of course all of those processes are designed to ensure transparency and value for money. That’s life - and again, not unique to the NHS.

 

Still think we should try to re-sign Brad Potts, but only as a squad player.

 

The imbecile couldn't run a bath, never mind a country

 

TB is more common in people born abroad. The rate in the non UK-born population is 15 times higher than in the UK-born population, and 73% of all cases notified in 2015 (4,087) were born abroad.

there has been a 38% fall in TB cases since 2012, with 2017 alone responsible for a 9% decline,the biggest rise was between 1999 and 2009

the vast majority of uk tb cases are from people born outside of the uk , although some of these migrants who contracted the disease had been here for more than two years

By the 1980s, TB was considered to be almost eradicated in the UK. However, this is said to have changed again with the increase in travel and migration. The review suggests that the poorer socio-economic status and living conditions experienced by certain population groups have led to a gradual re-emergence of TB as a public health problem in Europe.

London is the UK's TB capital

these are direct quote from sources such as the nhs and public health england

 

You’re too keen - I was responding to someone else who said it was on the rise.
I never did.
Now how daft are you feeling.

 

first of all I was not having a go at you, I was merely pointing out that i thought you were off the mark with your assumption, but seeing as you were trying to be smart then here goes,
i know exactly who you were responding to, (Deetee). In response to your remarks about health tourism and immigration, Deetee asked you how come TB was on the rise and you quite boldly proclaimed it was down to austerity

you were trying to be clever with him and somehow,from the depths of your photographic mind came up with a theory that TB was on the rise because of austerity, to which i assume you lay the blame with the tories as it was those that implemented it.
Anyone could see(except for yourself) that this was rubbish and had you taken the time to do a little research you would have noticed that.

now how daft are you feeling?, you want to stick to wedding cakes and wide angled lenses,, dont try anything that requires you to think on your own, maybe take the lens cap off old fella eh?

 

You read an awful lot from a response I gave in a handful of words that acknowledged I’d not researched it - but my point was - and is -and not refuted by anyone including you ‘nowt to do with the NHS’ so you’re wasting effort here

 

if it comforts you to believe that then good on you,it beats sulking in a corner

 

Can we not just change this thread title to say NHS and the abolition of Nigel Farage, that sounds more sensible and appealing.

 

i actually think this will happen pal, the NHS is a national treasure and any politician who tries to alter it will face extinction, too many people need it, including many tory voters

 

I fully agree @dekparker & I only think the very far right Tory people would disagree & some of the Brexit supporters, although that party has zero policies to support anything, as things stand.

I think we all need to wind our necks in on this a bit, as the vast majority of posters seem to want to keep the NHS free at the point of use.

We do claim costs back from other countries, as they do to us. This is right. If I'm in Australia DJing, as I do occasionally they will claim back via my travel insurance & the EHIC card covers EU stuff. I'm sure there are some cases we might lose out on, but I'd rather save the life first, than check they can pay, as that for me is how a civilised country operates.

I think we would all like to see health professionals firstly seek to save people's lives & then, if they have not paid into our system, pass the cost on to their country of residence. Doctors & nurses are there to do that. The US model stinks, as do their gun laws & penal system.

 

Any idiot that thinks Farage is on their side gets exactly what they deserve.

 

Unfortunately - they're taking the rest of us with them

 

#dangerousnigel