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RE: If you had the slightest idea of the meaning of morality......

Ok, I thought you knew my slant on this but were being deliberately obtuse and choosing not to acknowledge it, but apparently not.

My problem isnt with animal rights, it's with you and your inconsistent views. Im playing devil's advocate in order to try and get you to question your stance and views on a whole range of issues and to ask some questions. So yes, I 'poke fun' at you but only in the hope that you might have realised that whilst you take a principled stand on animal rights (which I applaud you for) you do so whilst practising gross hypocrisy when it comes to the lives of your fellow human beings.

Examples - You are against killing a few thousand foxes, but choose to back a war that's killed 100,000 Iraqi men, women and children.
Example - You want to stop terrorism but saw no contradiction in using the state sponsored version to bomb and kill Iraqis.
Example - You'd say testing on animals is tantamount to torturing them but see no problem in using torture on human beings who may be innocent.

Question - If you believe it is acceptable to torture the a few innocent people as long as it keeps the guilty ones from blowing us up, then who are you to go on about using animals for testing drugs if it keeps my old Gran alive?

You want people to take responsibility for the lives of animals which is great, but you won't take any personal responsibility for your own decisions and the effect they have on other human beings lives - ie whether they live or die. So you see how annoying it can be when you bang on about what's happening to animals? Its not because I disagree with your views on animals its because your apparent contempt for human beings seems to hold no bounds.

 

Yay! An essay!

Couldn't be arsed to read it but I can imagine.

Is everyone who doesn't share you stupid views immoral?

 

RE: lets all get one thing straight here....

My friend has spent 4 years living with Chronic Fatigue Syndrome. She contracted typhoid, nearly died, lost 4 stone and now sometimes struggles to get out of bed or bath herself. She desperately wants to work just a few hours a week to give her something and earn a bit of cash. However if she does this she loses her 'benefits'. A good society should be judged on how it treats its weakest members in my view, its sad that most folk on here spend more time bashing those who escape poverty, war, violence and famine than they do the rich, selfish, greedy ones.

ps Well said Rosco!

 

RE: ok

Good on you for striking - people have to stand up for themselves instead of being whacked by the politicians we employ to do our bidding. They are OUR public servants after all.

it's a shame there's some hypocritical folk on here who only agree with striking if it's them who are being affected - you'd have thought given the miners dispute that all Barnsley folk would have some sympathy for people being done over by the goverment.......

I hope you get your way!

 

"no excuse for others to gripe that they haven't"

so I haven't.

well if you must know, I am one of those on strike...

 

I said "There are thousands out their sponging who are capable of doind work"

that doesn't mean everyone...

I am purely talking about the thousands who are sponging illegally, and or by fraudulant ways....

why the **** can't people READ what has been written, before jumping in with an arguement

 

RE: Yay! An essay!

Windy does his ostrich act and puts his head in the sand. (tumbleweed) Touched a nerve dear? Struck a bit close to home?

Nope, they are just my views and as strongly as I hold them im just putting them forward and leaving it up to people to look at them and decide for themselves. Im arguing, not telling folk what to think - that's your job.

(england)

 

"Touched a nerve"? .......You?........ Ha ha ha ha!

Don't flatter yourself wee man.

Besides not giving a **** what you think I've just told you I couldn't be arsed to read it. Are you thick?

 

Pillock!.....

What a crass statement.

 

Running is summat you've probably never done.

Anything the slightest tiring is no doubt taboo for you! Work for the council do ya?

 

She should pull herself together.....

...and be thankful she doesn't have to do a proper job.

 

So, will all these public sector workers

vote for a Political party that states in its manifesto that taxation will be raised from the general populous in order to guarantee final salary pensions to all private sector workers at the same level as their own?</p>

Campaign as vociferously for the above as they are for their own self interests?</p>

Dream on.</p>

As to the BS about contracts, expectations and all that crap, whyt should public service employees expect any different to any fecker else?</p>

Maybe I am wrong and I should be actively encouraging the strikers and hope they get what they want at my expense.</p>

 

Its about terms and conditions

When i started work it was in my terms and conditions that I could join a Pension scheme which pays final salary and that i could retire under the 85 year rule. I joined that scheme and pay a significant amount of my salary each month to ensure that when I retire that I will be able to draw a reasonable pension.

The other reality is that I don't pay into a pension scheme and spend that money and when I retire at whatever age that I become dependant on state benefits and pension credits- so whatever way the burden is passed to the tax payer.

I could argue that as a single person who has no children, hardly uses the health service or public transport, have only been unemployed for 6 months in my 39 years and believes in nuclear disarment that I should pay less tax because I'm not using these services. This is just a stupid idea (well apart from the peace dividend) because i believe that to have a society that functions for all that we need a well funded and resourced public services and benefits.

 

Welcome to reality

Public sector workers have been cossetted too long from the realities of life, welcome to the real world where not everything revolves around you.  Most people working in the private sector who provide services have to realise that they are there to do a job not that the job is there just for their benefit, it's time that the public sector workers realised that they are paid to provide a service, not that the service exists to provide them with a job.  Once this is established they may then realise that in the real world money has to come from somewhere and that things change.  It is no longer possible for the rest of the country to prop up your over inflated wages, terms and conditions, if the money ain't there it can't be frigging knitted out of thin air, it has to be fund somehow.

 

While the rest of us work till we drop

or get a piss poor pension from our own funded pension schemes?</p>

And while this continues public sector workers deserve pack in at 60 on a living pension funded largely by everyone else?</p>

My company pays 3% of my salary towards my pension. Try retiring on that at 65.</p>

What does BMBC pay? 13% more?</p>

When I joined my company it ceased its final salary pension scheme so new employees were unable to join.</p>

The existing members who joined their pension scheme under the T&amp;C's of the former public ownership have subsequently had the pension benefits reduced / had to increase contributions</p>

Welcome to the real world.</p>

You are asking to be treated differently to private sector workers.</p>

We, the public, are funding it.</p>

 

Do you not think there is a world of difference

Between community's supporting a strike because of a threat to its very existance, workers striking to try and keep their very difficult and dangerous jobs from disappearing altogether, workers in an industry where historically large numbers died of industrial desease prior to drawing a pension. A strike which was partly in demonstration against a threat to dispose of one of the nations vital energy sources while leaving us at the whim of foriegn energy imports and expensive gas supplies.</p>

To a set of workers, largely on cushy numbers, who fancy packing in at 60 on a good pension.</p>

Not quite the same is it?</p>

 

1% 'legally' own 99.5% of the worlds wealth

</p>

 

Council staff....Look busy without actually doing anything

 

RE: lets all get one thing straight here....

She should get CFS divorced then shouldnt she?

 

let's not also forget

that whilst paying for their pensions and paying for them to enjoy it longer than we will ever get the chance to (whilst also working shorter hours per week than many people) that council employees leaving at the age of 60 rather than 65 means that tax payers have to pay for the training of replacement staff and also have to foot the bill for the extra time that it takes them to complete tasks due to inexperience.