Not just the flu

https://www.passporthealthusa.com/2018/10/how-does-the-flu-become-pneumonia/

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/symptoms/symptoms.htm

 

The DWP quickly dealt with a 10 fold increase in UC claims by changing policy and moving thousands of staff for retraining. HMRC designed and implemented a furlough scheme from scratch, and payments to the self employed.

meanwhile - as soon as the govt had some breathing space to give billions to their mates for a track and trace system off they went. How did the beloved private sector do with that task?

every health authority in the country could be running track and trace better and cheaper.

 

Mate I've had proper flu in the past, what I had earlier in the year wasn't flu. It took me month's and a shed load of meds to feel better. I'm on daily asthma meds and now back on steroids (horrible things).
Weird thing I found was on warm sunny days I felt amazing, I could walk for miles and even go for a run. But on days when it turned damp and cooler my breathing was affected massively. Not good when you work outdoors.
It might be worth seeing your GP, you have had it and be asthmatic. Asthma doesn't run in our family and I've been told that Covid as created a new generation of sufferers.
Take care mate

 

You've explained it perfectly mate, it's not the initial symptoms that are bad, well I was bed ridden it's the days and days after of having varying nasty symptoms. The random tightness in your chest and inability to breathe properly and not having any energy or the ability to focus on things properly.

 

That's because you're thick.

 

If it's so much worse than flu, how do you explain the thousands of deaths from flu every year?I understand that it was worse than your previous episode of flu, but are you really saying your Covid-19 episode was worse than the flu someone contracted that killed them?

 

Says the irresponsible, selfish ****.

 

See, those things are pretty subjective.

Some people would say I'm irresponsible and selfish for opposing lockdown, that's fair enough, I understand that. I understand and empathise that people are scared of the consequences of infection for them and particularly their elderly relatives. Others would say that people who support the lockdown are selfish, as they don't seem to care about all the cancer deaths, suicides, depression, lack of access to healthcare and education that those actions have caused, and all that they care about is them and their loved ones not getting the virus, and f-ck the consequences. Still others - BarnsleyReds and Titus Magee on the one side and Loko and BFC Dave on the other for example - are bright enough to understand and empathise the other side of the argument, even if they don't agree with it.

Unfortunately for you, if you're thick - you're just thick. Not a lot you can do about it.

 

45k (just government figures) and counting in one year, the flu kills yes but it doesn't that many. How many folk in age ranges 25-50 years after having flu then have long term issues ranging from heart, mobility, and lung issues?
I've been told by all within NHS I've come into contsct with, my GP, my asthma nurses, my consultant, my neighbour who is a nurse, my works occy health that this isn't like the flu, it's part of the same family but it's a new strain which no one totally understands.

 

Really sad what this thread and others like it turn into.

Glad you're doing better DCM.

 

The virus needs to be taken seriously but at the same time I support local businesses who are going the extra thousand miles to ensure folk are safe. I'm like lots of people who can't understand the curfew and I support keeping well run and covid compliant pubs and restaurants open. I've said on record that the hospitality sector have been the ones who have provided the government data yet are the ones being scapegoated. They're not at fault, there will always be places which are a joke and they need closing down. Instead the government are tarring every pub with the same brush.
Supermarkets are frightening places and yet no one is expected to sign in to visit them. Why,?

The track and trace system is a joke which is why SAGE have savaged the governments efforts (if you can call it that).

There is a way to cope with the virus and most on here have come up with good ideas. But the many measures need to be implemented in the right way. Instead all we're seeing are dodgy deals, inadequate products and Boris' mates making a killing. All while genuine folk are being taken for a ride.

Do I support a lockdown no, is it necessary most probably. The question is why in 9 months are we no further forward?

I'm just saying the virus is real, its extremely nasty and life affecting but if we had a competent government we can live with it. We're still to live under a new 'normal' cos every week due to government inaction or corner cutting they're chasing their tails and making up new rules. The SAGE statement clearly points to that.

Rant over and cheers mate

 

I'm not sure that supporting an end to any restrictions during winter when you'd have Covid and flu circulating at the same time is a wise idea, either for anyone without issues, or those with one or more issues. You'd most certainly overwhelm the NHS with people having one, the other, or both at the same time - which is possible and would be pretty frightening even for younger people with a single issue such as asthma.

Ive got my daughter back at school and two elderly parents, one with COPD, osteoarthritis, osteoporosis and can barely walk. The other has heart disease and Idiopathic Pulmonary Fibrosis. They have another grand child they've barely seen and need help round the house. Every time I step in their house I fear I'm about to kill them.

So yeah, count me out of wanting it spread far and wide, over winter when the NHS is already stressed to ****.

 

I agree with everything you say, and I think because of the lack of proper measures implemented this is the course of travel. Its exploding again and its frightening. I just think that certain sectors have done so much to mitigate the virus but haven't been helped by central government. It's all ifs and buts, but it could have been so much different. Other countries have managed to cope with living with it whilst remaining safe and not overwhelming their health services or putting those with health issues at risk.
It's just so frustrating, and now we're back at square one but with a bit more understanding of the virus.
I wasn't expecting a land of milk and honey, the virus is dangerous but we were promised a new 'normal' and that hasn't happened due to so many **** ups.

 

I spoke to her today and the question I asked was "in your line of work have you seen many people suffering the after effects of flu?"

The answer was no. I'm sure she's skilled enough to know where the pneumonia came from in the first place. A quick check shows something like 6% is from influenza.

Since this has all kicked off she has been working with the fallout of perfectly healthy people who are now suffering the after effects of covid.

All diseases and viruses can result in complications, but not on the scale of this by the sounds of it, from people working in respiratory rehab.

 

Is there any illness, injury or a disease or a virus etc of any kind or nature where there isn't a risk of long or short term and maybe very serious complications stemming from that illness that could effect you for the rest of your life or even kill you
i will say none.
The vast majority of people accept that risk and get on with there life's or else it would be impossible to live it in any meaningful way.
Every time we take a breath we are being killed with all the dangerous toxins in the air
People saying there scared to death ,sat there with a cig in there hand or a pint or travelling a hundred miles a hour down the motorway
the list is endless of bad things that could happen .

there is a list a mile long of things that might harm you or will kill you in the short or long term
how far down the list is Covid in terms of the percentage and likelihood of it happening to you ?

 

I suffered for months with the after effects of flu. Got it in February or march and was unable to do sport or anything until after the school went back in September.

I'm a real person who had real world experience but because I'm not a doctor my actual experience is ignored by people who have spoke to someone who says it doesn't happen. I'll tell you now it does happen.

 

I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but I can only go by what they are working with now and it is like nothing they have dealt with before!

Who's opinion are you going to believe if you're me? Your other half who is a clinical lead or some random off a BBS? I'm not asking you or anyone else to believe me, i'm just telling you what I've been told, and naturally I believe her.

I lost 3 stone when I had flu about 20 years ago. It was horrendous. I'm not playing flu down.

 

But didn't you quite literally say it doesn't happen?

What p1sses me off us the hypocrites who don't give a damn when flu puts someone in a wooden box but demand a lockdown to stop covid putting someone in a box. Because apparently it's more upsetting for your mum to die of o e respiratory illness than another. Personally I'd be upset regardless of how she died.
And it's the hypocrites who don't care about the effect pneumonia has long term but cry about people who have long term effects of covid.
Oh and add to that the psychics who despite this virus only existing for a few months and despite having only caught it within the last few months are talking about how they have got symptoms for years. We don't even know how it spreads properly or how it attacks certain people.ore than others, we haven't been able to develop a vaccine yet and basically know next to nowt about it but there are people on the BBS who already seem to know how it affects their body in 5 years time. That's some good eyesight is that.

 

I am saying it hasn't happened on the scale that Jay is claiming i.e that this isn't anything new flu has done this for years etc etc. Of course people will experience complications.

PS I edited my previous post so you may have missed some of what I said.

 

He asked his partner if she'd seen many and she said "no". That's a bit different to saying it doesn't happen.