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  1. red

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    No i think he was saying that every signing that wasnt data driven hadnt worked out. Obviously every signing is a gamble we all know that. Both oulare and iseka were rumoured to be sold to conman by agents both took a large percentage of the summer budget up what he said seemed to also back this up.
     
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    I wonder if conman got anything out of these deals?
     
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    So could someone offer a basic breakdown of what was said.
     
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    Theres a youtube video of it JackTatty.

    its about 1 hour 30 minutes of talking max
    Think @Gally put in one of the posts there might be something on ST at some point.
     
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    Thanks @Gally
     
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    And yet there was a 6m contingent payment that was contractually agreed as part of the sale on achieving promotion back to the champ at the first attempt, in the event of relegation, that was payable by either company and all parties involved agree that this is what it related to.
     
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    Thought I'd made that clear. That was what I was saying, as for extending the early bird again Is just pandering to those wanting blood so to speak.
    EITHER RENEW OR DON'T YOUR CHOICE. I for one have lost patience pandering. As it appears it's one excuse after another.
    Last statement not aimed at you by the way Churton.
     
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    No messing from Hooky Feller this evening.

    and I like it.
     
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    The company (BFCL) cannot buy itself. If you are saying that the sum is part of an agreed deal, and the company had to fund it, then the company funded it on behalf of the owners. The new owners took money out of the company (a separate legally constituted organisation to the owners) in order to pay the former owners an additional selling price conditional upon an event. I say again, under company law, a company is not allowed to buy itself.
     
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    I don’t disagree with a lot of that. But to say ‘you’re now either with the club or you’re not’ is off target for me. People have legitimate reasons for falling out with the club. Suggesting they’re now against the club for not renewing doesn’t feel right.
     
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    Burnley's time of being well run ran out when they became American owned at the end of 2020.
     
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    Oulare and Iseka probably weren't sold to Conway by agents, it's likely worse than that, they were sold/palmed off to him by his mates in other US Capital firms.

    Toulouse (Iseka) are owned by RedBird Capital whose owner Conway has previous relationships with. Standard Liege (Oulare) are owned by 777 Capital who have all sorts of dodgy looking entanglements with Conway/PMG including the transfer of the Ostend (PMG) manager to Genoa (another 777 club), a contract for Conway's PMG to provide advice to 777 in their recent acquisition of Red Star Paris FC and an annual retainer to provide advice in general to 777 on their football activities in Genoa.

    Leaving aside the matter of how dumb must 777 be :D, the PMG involvement with 777 in relation to Paris is creating concerns of a conflict of interest with the French authorities given Red Star Paris and AS Nancy will be in the same league next season and the 1m euro per annum contract between 777 and PMG in relation to Genoa has attracted formal interest from the Belgian League authorities as part of the renewal of Ostend's licence for 2022/23 given the conflict of interest between Ostend and Standard Liege who are also in the same league.

    It's not hard to imagine Oulare being part of a 'mutual back-scratching arrangement' between 777 and Conway/PMG under the 1m euro per annum contract between the two (especially as there are few other obvious services being provided to merit such payment it seems).

    I suspect if there was something like a Panorama investigation into Conway's dealings, all sorts would slip out.
     
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    I’ve often wondered this…
     
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    At least we find out next week who our new head coach is. It's about time but whoever it is let's get behind them.
     
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    I don’t want blood. I just want to feel like my support matters to the people who run the club. I want there to be a point to it. I want my club to be doing its best to win matches, not simply trade players. I want my club to be the No1 priority of the people who run it. I don’t want it to be part of a portfolio. I’ve supported this club most of my life. The only time I haven’t had a season ticket is when I was living away at Uni. I support the club regardless of the division.
    Some of the issues have been vaguely addressed. However, to say “Judge us by our Actions” is great - but nothing has really happened has it since the reshuffle. So how can we judge by actions?

    Yes, the club could say renew or don’t - but it’s hardly a policy that wins over fans who have very valid reasons to reconsider their position. Their job is to sell tickets, get people to invest. I have no problem if people have the confidence to do that already, but I don’t for numerous reasons. As it stands, I’m out. I’m one of quite a few I know, including my daughters and nephew. If the early bird passes before I’ve seen actions of reassurance, then that’s a season I’m not attending. It’s me watching non league football instead, and possibly never returning.
    I realise that in the big scheme of things, I don’t really matter. However, I’m not the only one, so “pandering” as you put it might be a wise marketing strategy for a board that still needs to prove its intentions, and actually sell season tickets.
     
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    Nothing much has changed yet. All that's happened is two guys who still own part of our club have been removed from the board. They are still involved. We don't know why the investors don't want us to know who they are. We don't know who the head coach will be. We don't know who we will sell or buy. We don't know if our recruitment policy will change. We don't know if the matchday experience we were promised would improve four years ago will finally improve.
     
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    Lets take this point by point.

    All that's happened is two guys who still own part of our club have been removed from the board
    Yes off the very board that runs the club Barnsley Football Club. That's quite important.

    We don't know why the investors don't want us to know who they are.
    We know of Jullie Ann Quay and Matthew Edmonds. The rest who cares. They will go via JAQ.

    They are still involved
    at this time they have a share value in the club. Thats all. Maybe they would sell those? He didn't rule it out buying them the other night did he.

    We don't know who the head coach will be
    Fair Enough. But it will likely be someone that's British based.

    We don't know who we will sell or buy
    And Neither do any of the other 71 teams in the EFL or the 20 in the Prem. Unless you have a crystal ball Dreamboy.

    We don't know if our recruitment policy will change
    It's a tweak of the Data system that's been used on and off for the past few years since Daniel Wilson's disaster of a summer. I'd rather have a thimble than a Lita......

    We don't know if the matchday experience we were promised would improve four years ago will finally improve
    We have just been in covid times also. It was getting better than things stopped like at every club and sports in the world. I was listening to things at the Monaco GP haven't been the same since Covid too. Its happened to everyone
     
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    What? I assume thimble is a typo but what word do you mean?
     
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    It's a joke. A thimble a very small thing that could hold a small amount of liquid?
     
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    Totally agree although the warm words spoken are encouraging as yet nothing concrete as happened apart from rich people playing musical chairs in the board room. We still don't have a head coach, the up to now inept CEO is still in position, the makeup of the squad is largely unknown and the questions about the £750k already taken out of club funds plus the outstanding £2.5 million still haven't been satisfactorily answered. Let's be clear about this the club is still majority owned by overseas investors Including Lee and Conway and several anonymous ones whose real intentions for the club are still unknown. I'am hopeful things have and will change further but without concrete evidence of change I'm still to be fully convinced. The new Chairman did say alot of the right things but he also left some questions unanswered so I think caution is still required.
     
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