[Official Site] INTERN OPPORTUNITIES IN MEDIA DEPARTMENT

Not falling out with you, simply reading your opinion and giving mine.

 

You're the only person who said that though. A very limited number of others argued that despite it being illegal as advertised it is worthwhile for the unpaid worker. It wasn't until you posted that it was revealed to be a paid job falsely advertised as unpaid, with no commitment for availability falsely advertised as requiring it and the volunteer aspect being solely shadowing despite being falsely advertised as involving work. It's hardly everyone else's fault that we took the job advert on the club's official site as being the actual truth is it

 

I just appreciate it's an emotive subject for some, but having been in the situation myself, I've never had a problem with a part time internship that supplements someone's studies and has a track record of assisting students find permanent roles in the field.

 

Are you really saying it's unfair for people to judge the role based on the Club's own description of it? And the people "with way more knowledge" are people who work for the club. Based on his historic postings on here I feel pretty confident that if he weren't in his role Whitey would say he would prefer that the position be paid. He might not be able to outright say that, but he can correct me here if I'm wrong.

If it's only 4 or 5 hours a week then why can't the club just pay?

And as for the final paragraph, I hate the implication that people should be happy and thankful to work for nothing on a "jam tomorrow" basis. The way career progression works in my industry, firms could offer to pay nothing, or minimum wage for the first 2 years and they would still fill their intakes several times over. You could apply your reasoning to say that the initial stages of a lot of professions are worth so much more than the salary, but as Jay said all this does is exclude people.

 

Or the club could pay minimum wage and expenses.

 

And kinda illegal as advertised. Right?

 

It doesn't cover the expense of lost income if people would otherwise be working a paying job to support themselves.

 

How is it illegal?

 

As posted by @JamDrop earlier

An intern is only an intern and thus exempt from the minimum wage if one or more of the following apply

the intern is a student on a recognised UK further or higher education course with a required placement element and each placement lasts less than a year
- The job advert doesn't stipulate that this is a requirement at all.

The intern is of school age and is taking part in work experience
- the job advert never mentions school age.

The intern is a volunteer and the internship is at one of the following: charity; voluntary organisation; associated fund raising body or a statutory body
- Barnsley football club is none of the above.

The intern is shadowing ONLY meaning that they carry out no work of their own and only observe
- Every position advertised mentions work being carried out by the 'intern'.

The positions, as advertised, are not legally internships and thus subject to the national minimum wage.

 

Well on all of the above points, I can confidently say that every single position I've ever seen advertised for an internship is illegal, particularly on that last point. And I've seen a lot of adverts.

 

Who for? The club he promised a fake sponsorship from Dubai?

On every credible source for El-Ahmed he’s only ever listed as a scout.

Whatever happened to our apparent Albania sponsorship? Seems every time I ask about this I’m ignored.

 

Only one has to apply. Most internships probably fail the last point but tick the ‘student on a course’ or ‘charity’ element.

 

When I was 16 to 18 i coached a martial arts club once a week for the experience and never got paid. I did get asked about it on nearly every job interview I had up to being mid twenties.

 

I understood the 'one or more of the following apply', and every single internship I've seen advertised haven't met a single one of the criteria. They didn't stipulate school age or student, they all required work to be done (not just observing), and they weren't for a charity, voluntary organisation, associated fund raising body or a statutory body - they were all private companies. I stand by my point that so many internships (often in the big smoke, Oxford etc.) are grossly unfair in that people who don't come from wealth simply can't afford to live in those places, often for three months or more, working a full-time job with no income. The club's internship deserves credit because of the flexibility it offers, along with the lack of demands that it places on the applicant.

 

I’ve just had a look at a load on Indeed. 80% + of them are paid and every one stated that the person had to be enrolled on an undergraduate course.

 

The law says it has to be to be unpaid (or one of the other exemptions), it’d be idiotic of the club to not specify that if they are only accepting students. What a waste of time that is for someone applying if they’re not told of that requirement up front.

 

So what you're saying then is that they are legal interns and our communication and media department is just absolutely fècking awful at communicating even the basics such as advertising a position at the club and forgetting to mention on any of the four positions that it's only for students? That's extremely unprofessional isn't it