Our new Prime-Minister.

Oddly I’ve been saying it for years.
The northern working class of this country have voted labour for 30 years in the simple belief that Labour is for the ‘working man’ whilst not actually supporting many of the principles of the Labour Party re diversity etc. They are not socially liberal, many are mysoginistic, homophobes, racist etc.

The 2 party system in this country is broken, Brexit is just the star example with 1/3 of Labour voters and 2/3 of Tories in favour. Most Tory party members would consider the introduction of gay marriage to be a sad day for their party.

The real puzzle though is that the re-nationalising of railways is supported by 2/3 of the electorate but considered ‘communist’ by our media overlords.

That’s why we roll our eyes when some idiots pretend that life is about simple binary questions!
Leave/remain tax/freedom public/private

 

Yes, probably with a quill.

 

Your right, they weren’t included but equally aside of the hard boarder subject they shouldn’t because the other examples are mostly rumours and scaremongering with no actual fact(yet).

 

The facts aren’t scaremongering, they’re the facts.
Look in your supermarket basket at all the fresh food that got here through frictionless borders, how much of it would exist if it sat in Dover for 2 days?

Fresh food is no3 on the list of priorities to get through the ports.

London is one of the largest financial hubs in Europe, no deal will indeed mean lots of those jobs move to mainland Europe.

 

It's Rees Mogg who uses the quill.

 

The value of the pound crashed and has not recovered.
To my considerable cost that is fact.

 

Please point me in the direction where someone has categorically said food will sit for two days?
You can’t because it hasnt happened its all conjecture and ifs and buts.
All reports have said the only way there will be a food shortage is if consumers change the way the they buy.

 

I’m not saying there won’t be impacts etc, what I said was at point of referendum no one could have factually said what would happen as it was all opinions.

 

I'm not sure if that is correct, although time is undoubtedly short.
Varadkar is coming under increasing scrutiny and pressure in Ireland. He is also far less hawkish over the issue internally than is generally reported here.
You can login and read the article FOC.

https://www.independent.ie/opinion/...e-monster-called-boris-johnson-38310426.html#

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/--938026.html

https://www.rte.ie/news/brexit/2018/1118/1011673-brexit-uk-ireland-eu/

 

You are missing the fact that the money the EU dish out cam from the UK taxpayer in the first place. We get less back than we send. It's not as if the EU has This whole idea of the EU being some shining light treating us to hand outs is ridiculous. If we were more effective in holding our own parliament to account, we would be able to spend that money without having it top sliced by the EU. This whole exercise of Brexit and parliament ignoring the referendum result for their own means is just another way they show us that they do not care what we instruct them to do, they will do as they want in their own interest. Time for a shake up in the commons and lords setup and voting system..it is the only way forward.

 

And yet Varadkar said yesterday that there will be no negotiation on the backstop or any other part of the deal.
I thoroughly disapprove of a few nutcase terrorists wagging the dog in terms of the border issue. It is, however, a highly emotive and delicate problem and Bumbling Boris has no more clue how to sort it out than any other brexiteer.
I'm afraid by the time the dust has settled on all this if Boris gets his way then the precious UK the brexit movement wanted to take back control of will consist of England and Wales.

 

Undoubtedly Varadkar is saying different things to different audiences, but he has clearly said in the past that under no circumstances will there be a hard border...despite using it as his trump card..and sections of the Irish press are highlighting this...I haven't time to find it now but I'll post some interesting articles later.

 

Have you been to Dover?
Can you see inspections of thousands of trucks a day just happening instantly?
If the port authority and HMRC are telling us to expect massive disruption and plans are in place to make the M20 into a car park, that’s not ‘conjecture’ it’s facts. Just because it's uncomfortable to accept, doesn’t mean it isn’t going to happen.
I’m an optimist, I believe we’ll survive fine outside the EU; but even the proponents of no deal tell us it’ll take 30 to 50 years to get back to where we are now. That’s almost the entire adult life of my kids!
So conjecture even from those you’re supporting.
If I jump under a car travelling at 20mph; I’m fairly sure I could survive, and the NHS would put me back in one piece but that doesn’t make it a smart thing to do.

 

The general feeling here is that Varadkar will be lynched if he yields on the backstop.
The problem remains that everything is so finely balanced here.
Ireland gave up its claim to the north very reluctantly. In exchange there is no border, citizens in the north can hold irish passports and everyone is content to carry on on those lines. Stick a hard border in and that goodwill collapses.
Stick a hard border in the irish sea and a slightly different but equal chaos ensues.
All Boris has to offer as a solution is that we should all be more optimistic. Good grief, the man genuinely has no idea on how to solve it.

 

Of course; but our government aren’t spending it here in the north, or in wales or the south west.

Then of the money we don’t ‘get back’ that pays for our access to markets that have enabled our economy to flourish.
Just like paying rent for a shop; without the shop there’s no customers, so whilst saving the rent is a ‘saving’ in very basic terms; it’s s dumb idea unless you have concrete plans to make more money another way.

 

If there is a detriment to being a net contributor to the EU why are France and Germany not wanting to leave?
If there was no benefit to being a net contributor why did we want to join in the first place?

 

The British Government is already being taken to court for refusing to recognise the rights of people in NI to identify as *both* British and Irish (as enshrined in the GFA). They are also trying to remove rights from those who identify as Irish.

 

I'll try and put the article up later, but it suggests that Varadkar has used RTE as a cheerleader, without question, for a policy that is not completely sound and has more to do with his intention to look tough on the Brits prior to the looming elections, the Irish Independent was warning of this quite some time ago saying he had made the mistake of only listening to Republicans in the north and turning a "tin ear" to Unionists.
One of the articles warns he is painting himself into a corner , and his policy and language may make it impossible for a deal to get through the UK Parliament resulting in exactly the Border problem an acceptable deal or more flexible approach would have prevented...bearing in mind he was the advocate of a backstop, overturning Enda Kenny's wait and see pragmatism.
Whether the Irish Independent were correct on everything they allege I cant really comment, but certainly they seem to have been proved right on the end result.

 

Without sidestepping your argument SB what Varadkar or the EU say or do is completely irrelevant.
The key factor is the Good Friday Agreement. Put up a hard border and it's broken. End of. Then get ready to deal with the fallout.

 

If you look at Yorkshire, as a region we receive more money from the EU than the proportion of tax revenue which goes to the EU. When we no longer receive those grants and programs from the EU and the money goes to the treasury, do you really in your heart think Boris Johnson is going to direct it to Yorkshire?