Peterborough Bye Election

In an all out General Election they must have a full manifesto, but I think they were probably right not to try a rush job in a few weeks that could have been pulled to pieces on costings...and undermined by different people in the party with different ideas... effectively muddying the waters for what in all honesty can only be a single issue party.
What will be most interesting though is what the various parties learn from this election...the traditional parties had a huge advantage over the Brexit Party in that they have the voter records from all the previous elections, so they know where to concentrate their resources, which BP do not have access to as a new entity.
Labour will probably know now that a hard campaign can win against the perceived odds, although it still leaves the difficulty of being seen as Remain or Leave....which horse to back...or stay on the fence, it's difficult to know which message they put to people on the doorstep.
Conservatives will be encouraged that they're not quite as dead as it looked last week, and that if Brexit can be done before the next GE, Brexit Party Tories will probably return... the Lib Dems will probably think they are not going to benefit so greatly from a tactical vote nationally and concentrate harder on retaining their traditional areas.
The Brexit Party will be massively disappointed not to win, this was a golden opportunity, but need to learn the lesson of overconfidence and the need for a grass roots network, which I doubt they can build in such a short time. One thing it should have taught them is the need to target seats carefully and not spread the resources thinly.
After saying all that, you often can't read too much into by-elections!!

 

I think he means all the tax dodgers and unscrupulous buisness men are doomed .

 

Just to point out SB that the Brexit party had the voters records because ex Tories were in that constituency were helping them and will have had same knowledge as other parties.

 

I very much doubt it, they treat the marked registers like gold dust...admittedly, without knowing how the Tories work tbf, I wouldn't think they'd be shared with anyone but HQ.

 

To put a remain style goggles on this.... Massive win for brexit.

The brexit party with a 29% gain, whilst labour and conservatives lose ground. Brexit parties got 51% of the vote, whilst remain only 15% (not included Labour in those as Jesus Corbyn not decided yet)

Brexit is the winner!

 

I think there's a lot think like you dek. I just really hope Labour aren't assumptive about it and run a proper campaign. Attack how destructive the Tories have been for the last ten years. We're a poorer nation for their governance, and they're being egotistical and narcissistic in the face of Brexit. It should be like picking strawberries.

 

There’s ways and means the ex Tories will have been invaluable .without officially accessing other party’s data.

 

I take your point that it's possible, but I think it highly unlikely...it would need a very senior person within the Tory Party, as only the Agent or Candidate can get the info in the first place...I'm not absolutely certain,but I think they may risk prosecution by passing it on, and I doubt any of the smaller fish would have any access to it..
From what I can gather they only campaigned big, but Labour did the doorstep stuff.

 

Mmm a Farage associated party breaking election rules .

 

I thought BxP had won given that Farage was on BBC1, Radio4 and GMB this morning. I thought he must have taken the seat himself.

 

Haha...I take the point...but it would be senior Tories that carried the can.
Seriously though, I was reading the LabourList account from local activists, and they seemed to agree they were the only ones out in force on the doorsteps, I would be surprised if BP could remotely manage the numbers to do it...even if they had the Register.
Above all it seems to be a triumph...albeit a close call..for local supporters putting boots on the ground, they can't allow themselves to get carried away, but were I a Labour activist I would be highly chuffed at winning.

 

They may not have as many activist but they had far more resources than a party just starting out as they are trying to claim.
Brexit or not is slowly choking this country , it’s consuming everything and everyone .
As a remainer I want it concluding whichever way the people see fit .
I don’t honestly believe we should rely on politicians as they are as divided as the country .
I honestly believe a cross party consensus should have been put in place after the vote but the Tory party as they do everything else made a mess.
A second referendum is inevitable imo but with everything in place including proper information and the deal agreed or remain n the ballot paper.
The you’ve already had a vote albeit a Tory calamity won’t wash in such a divisive and important issue imo

 

The best thing about this By Election was that it knocked that smirk off the Milkshake Kids kite.

 

Hes a high profile protestor, nothing more for me, if he ever got in power his arse would fall out. If he indeed does, welcome our new Home Secretary Diane Abbott..... let that sink in for a bit..

 

And Theresa May is a timid, probably austistic choirgirl.

Abbott is a far more competent politician than the likes of Gove or Grayling.

Would a Labour government really do as much damage to the country as the ones we've had since 2010? Surely it's at least time to try something different and support vital services and people who believe in a fair deal for the majority.

 

The Brexit Party have failed to win in a 60% Leave area. I don't know how you can put a positive spin on that.

 

Absolutley, totally agree. Tories have killed this country no doubt. I just wish there was a more meaningful and worthy opposition to get behind. Thats all. I think your conparing cat **** to dog **** with corbyn and abbott to May and Gove though, slighty more agreeable but still *****.

 

It really isn’t that comparable at all , to start one is proven dog **** the other is media perception and propaganda . Dianne Abbot is a far more accomplished politician than anything the Tories have to offer.
Her mistakes are played out more in the media than the actual people in office and that says it all imo.
The manifesto is created by a democratic consensus not a dictatorship as the media would have voters believe but it’s not in the media interest to attack the manifesto because almost everyone agrees about the contents the manifesto covers.

 

It is nearly as much a Brexit town as Barnsley. Relieved Labour got over the line, especially in the circumstances which the previous MP departed. Brexit Party was nailed on winners with the bookies. I think the Trump visit & the NHS could have been the deciding factor on the doorstep, with Farage sucking up to Trump.