Petrol/Diesel cars

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  1. DSLRed

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    I actually don't understand the rationale behind that decision. What it means is that people who have no interest in switching to electric until they are forced to do so will just buy a hybrid and not bother charging it, just running it on petrol alone. It effectively means that when they say they have banned ICE cars from being bought after 2030, they haven't really, they have banned them from 2035. Smoke and mirrors. Nonsense decision.
     
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    Maybe buy a Diesel generator to charge the car?:D:D:D
    No one I know has an electric kettle. In winter we cook on an Esse Ironheart as much as possible. We have GPL since mains gas does not extend up our road. Our actual commune (a small medieval hilltop town) is on the opposite side of the valley. Telecom Italia did lay high speed fibre up our road about three years ago (not bad considering in its entire 2 km length there are only 7 houses!!) Alas since then, whilst Ripe San Ginesio town itself has had a cabinet installed (not the fibre to house originally promised), we are still using a local provider via a LOS microwave signal from the church tower. It is not too bad in reality as the 35Mb/s n service paid for translates in reality to around 20-25Mb/s the downside is a maximum of 3Mb/s upload which means SKYPE and Messenger calls to UK can be a bit pixelated and choppy.
    ENEL (or ANAL as I like to call them ) are still behind the game. Most rural properties used very little electrics until the last 20 or so years (mainly for lighting only) with a couple of socket for radio and TV. (very 'rustic'. Although Tungsten bulbs have been replaced by LEDs more houses and apartments are being built in the valley along the main road and most people now have fridges freezers TVs etc, electric cookers and demand is pushing the limits of the supply. Nearly everyone relied (and many still do) on woodfires and stoves for their heating and even now pellet boilers are the big thing. Many also cook using wood OK if you are like us retired and don't have to go out to work. We use GPL with underfloor heating which uses less energy than conventional radiators but even with high spec insulation roof and walls the gas bills are high by comparison to UK. Most of the time in the depths of winter we alternate between the big Esse in the kitchen and a small Tiger woodstove in the Living room which pretty much heats the whole house. We spend about 400 euros on wood which lasts a full year including firing the wood pizza oven in the garden which we use a lot in Except in winter months (jDecember-Feb) Trees (even Oak and hardwood ones, grow very fast here so the wood is sustainable. Low density population also means pollution is minimal. Our house stonework/brickwork roof tiles look like they did when it was restored over 12 years ago.
    One point... given all the agricultural vehicles -tractors, combines etc. around here I wonder how long they will be ICE powered?
     
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    Long after you and I are gone thats for sure
     
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    They just send another....
     
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    As more and more fleet cars become electric (wife's company are all going electric from now, her company make fast electric charging points so they will put one in all the homes of their fleet car users which helps with the chicken - egg sinfrastructure system) you'll see infrastructure being built and the second had market primed, which will help with the rest of the public.
     
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    Swapping my diesel x4 for an EQC in December. Looking forward to the challenge of our family holidays in the Dales when I used to get 560 miles from a full tank.

    It’s the future though and I’m embracing it!
     
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    But if/when almost all cars etc are no longer ICE powered, at what point do distributors simply say "fu*k it 'cos it is no longer commercially viable and it becomes increasingly difficult to supply rural outlets with the diesel necessary to fuel farm machinery.
    Many harvests are time critical to the point of hours not days... particularly if a storm with strong winds or, worse, hail,which can devastate vast areas of crops in minutes, is predicted. With other crops, at certain times of year the Harvesters are out all day and sometimes even throughout the night. Many farmers 'share' a combine or use a contractor who works pretty much non-stop during the period.
    I cannot envisage any battery advances that would allow these huge machines to work around the clock for a few days at a time without down time to recharge. They also have to travel considerable distances on the roads (usually in convoy with lead vehicle carrying a red flag due to the size of the thing, the main vehicle, the actual blade mechanism towed as a separate unit re-attached on site and a following safety vehicle).
    Diesel and Petrol costs tend to be higher in rural areas than cities anyway due to extra cost of distribution with fewer service stations more widespread. These are part subsidised by the busy ones in town and cities. Even then, any are franchises and also rely on fuel fills from cars to make any money. The end result is that unless fuel outlets for farmers are heavily subsidised by Govts, (I know they use or did use?? red diesel in UK) the cost to supply farmers will rise and they will have no option but to pass those cost on resulting in increasing prices in food.
     
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    Only till 2035.
     
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