Promotion good or bad

Re: If we don't want to go up

When I was growing up my dads favourite phrase every time we lost a game was 'they don't want to go up' swiftly followed by 'they can't afford it.'

There's no moral to this story- although I did find it suspect he said 'they' not 'we'.

There you go.

 

Re: If we don't want to go up

This is a very easy debate. The answer is always, of course we must go for it. Unless!

Unless you are the guy who has to put his hand in his pocket to pay for it. Lest we forget, the fall from the Championship cost Patrick Cryne £2.7m, the reason being if we are promoted we need better players on higher pay and many of those will be on long term contracts. We do not have the transfer funds to buy them unless Patrick Cryne puts his hand in his pocket. If we fall back down to earth immediately, those players have to be sold at a loss, and those who remain cannot be funded through the reduced turnover.

It is an easy decision for a fan, whose financial commitment is limited and easily controllable. It is a much more difficult decision for the owner. Personally, I think that we are not ready.

 

Re: If we don't want to go up

We'd be a far more attractive proposition for any potential takeover being in championship rather than lge1

 

Re: If we don't want to go up

I think theres well reasoned arguements for both sides.

Most on here (if memory serves correctly) 'welcomed' the drop into L1 so we could have a clear out, stop the so called rot and rebuild over the next few seasons and go for it again. Only 15 weeks or so ago we'd have all taken just staying in L1. Now for most promotion is a must have. A rather systematic portrayal of the modern day footy fan and our society in general when everything has to be instant and in the here and now. But ......

Can we afford not to? The aforementioned Wolves, Villa, Newcastle, Wednesday, Leeds crowds along with the inevitable extra 2-3-4 thousand home fans would equate to around an extra 10-12 home attendances than L1 attracts financially in gate receipts alone. This coupled with the 'championship' gold pot we'd be entitled to for promotion. Could we chance our arm, stick with the kids and hope for 4th from bottom?

If we did that we'd be having another similar discussion in 12 months time how most werent enjoying getting beat most weeks. How its better to be challenging in L1's top 6 rather than struggling.

So to sum it up..... I havent got a clue!

 

Good on the footballing front and good for bringing more folk and coin into Barnsley.

 

If we don't want promotion then why is the club still active?

 

I think the answer to that is that some fans can see the more long term benefits of promotion in the near future. And maybe also identify the disadvantages of a short term clammering for success.

PS - I'm 50/50 about it all. I can see both sides.

 

Whether we go up this season or in 5yrs time,we'd still struggle in championship regardless. That's just how it is.
But I'd rather see us play the likes of Villa,Newcastle,Leeds, Wednesday etc than Port Vale,Swindon,Southend etc (no disrespect to these sides)

 

I agree, i would aswell.

The 'other side' would argue that in another 1-2-3 seasons the Smiths, Davies, Roberts, Brees, etc and others we have invested in nurturing under our 'philosophy' would have 150-200 league games under their belts and save us £££££'s in xfer fees that we coukdnt currently afford. Or we coukd go up now, these lads may not cut it. The only players we could attract will want well over our budget in wages. The young lads get knocked back in their development and its back to square minus one

 

stupid question

 

Far from it imho! Dont you think it makes a pleasant change from finding out where folk are parking at Wembley

 

Re: If we don't want to go up

I agree entirely with Red Rain. Don't forget Mr Cryne is a Super Reds fan as well as the owner of the club. Part of him will be blindly supporting his team and the other part saying How am I going to fund this? I would love to see us get promoted but if it is not to be then so be it. This time next year I will still be sat studying the league table, forming alliances with teams for one game and hoping they get hammered the next (whatever league that may be). Ready or not is irrelevant the aim for every team each season is to gain promotion. It is a vicious circle going up requires more money but also generates more money, staying put requires less money but generates less. On the playing side who knows, the current players may or may not be good enough only time would tell. In the meantime Positive Vibes Man

 

No, ask any sports person /team ,you train harder,faster,better to achieve your goal ,which doesn't mean not improving or getting worse, nobody would support a team with the ethics that you lay out , losing mentality from the outset , Wembley is a distraction compared to the league ,all be it a good one.