Publish the survey/safety report?

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  1. orsenkaht

    orsenkaht Well-Known Member

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    Wouldn't that settle it?
     
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    Most recent one.
     
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    The club's of course (i.e. the one the 80% mob have relied upon). If it can be seen that it raises substantial concerns then we need doubt them no further?
     
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    MrsHallsToffeerolls Well-Known Member

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    Is the correct answer. Think you will get to see it? Shouldn`t it be on display somewhere?
     
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    orsenkaht Well-Known Member

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    Shouldn't be a problem if the situation is as the club say, should there?
     
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    It’s the Council’s report as they are the landlord and also certifying party.

    It ‘should’ therefore be available under the freedom of information act?
     
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    Don`t Safety certificates get put on show for public to view?

    If true and everything is above board then I still think they could have handle it better.
     
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    "Following extensive structural inspections of Oakwell Stadium, it has been identified that various remedial works are required to the (DX) West Stand and, to therefore ensure the protection of all spectators, the Club have taken the necessary decision to close the stand until further notice."

    I took this statement to mean that the club had commissioned it's own reports, because the council indicated that theirs' revealed no concerns. All the club need do to allay concerns and avert further criticism is to publicize those reports or the information they relied upon. Can't see that that should be a problem?
     
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    Both the council and the club have said that work is needed on the west stand. Yet neither are willing to say what that work is, or whether the safety certificate for the stand is dependant on that work. It’s bonkers.

    The club’s owners are going about things in a horrific way, but the council and the Crynes ‘make do and mend’ attitude to the stadium, west stand in particular, is also damaging the club and its long term prospects.

    All three parties need to grow up frankly.
     
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    SSGA Act 1975…..

    The safety certificate would be required by the club.

    The certifying party I believe is the Local Authority.

    However, the safety certificate doesn’t include for structural examination. It’s only requirement is details of the owners planned maintenance, tests and inspection. So periodic structural reports, electrical and gas tests etc.

    Electric every 5 years, structural 8 years.

    The club have to provide these, and the council as landlord will also need their reports too.

    It is quite possible, that the landlord carried out its yearly inspection, and found no ‘urgent’ issues. It’s also quite possible the tenant also carried out their own inspection, and the results differed. That happens in the normal world. Differences in professional opinions also.

    I guess we’ll find out more in the coming weeks.
     
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    Dub-Tyke Well-Known Member

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    View attachment oakwell-stadium-general-safety-certificate.pdf
    Copy of 2020 Oakwell Stadium Cert.

    Clearly shows capacity allowances and number of stewards per stand required.

    I’ve had a brief look, and at first glance, it seems to show the entire West Stand was certified for full capacity if required. Also, less 400 or so seats, the North Stand was certified for around 5,700.

    Lack of stewards and SYP interference I believe were mentioned in the past as reasons for reduced capacity in the North Stand.
     
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    Just a quick tot up.... seems to suggest just 92 stewards be used to allow a capacity of 22,815.

    Obviously that's the 2020 document, but that seems a very achievable ratio.
     
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    Hard to believe between the club and the Doyle's we can't recruit ~100 stewards for a couple of hours.
     
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    Possibly. Not fully checked.

    Biggest requirement is experienced stewards in North and Ponte ends for obvious reasons I’d guess.

    West Stand and East Stand are rarely renowned for scrapping
     
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    I'm not an expert in structural reports, but I am (relatively) an expert in electrical reports.

    On an electrical installation condition report you have 4 grades of safety observations:

    C1 - Dangerous Occurance - Needs rectifying immediatey or disconnecting making safe
    C2 - Potentially Dangerous - Needs rectifying as soon as is reasonably practicable
    C3 - Improvement Recommended - Should be planned in for rectification in good time.
    FI - Further Investigation - Further testing and inspection is required.

    If I get my own house tested and find a C2 observation, I am not in a rush to have it put right, as it has been like that for ever and blah blah blah.
    If I get a house I rent out tested and find a C2 observation, I have 28 days to put it right.

    If I get a C3 on my own house, I'll probably never rectify it, unless it's rectified by other work I'm having done.
    If I get a C3 in a house I rent out, don't have the work planned in and it causes a problem, which results in damage to a person or property, I'm in the dock explaining why I didn't follow the experts advice to have the recommended improvement completed.

    If the landlord (council) have a structural report done on the West Stand and they give it the equivalent of a C2 or C3 observation, they're probably right (on a commercial lease) to pass the remedial works onto the tenants. If the tenants then get their own contractor in to look at the remedials, he whistles through his teeth and says - that's dangerous, you'd be be daft not to shut the stand, because if there is a risk of someone being hurt in whatever way, as a business you wouldn't want the liability. The insurance company may want all the remedial works complete before they will cover public liability for that stand.

    There's loads of reasons why the West Stand could suddenly have been shut, but the long and short of it is, that as fans, it wouldn't hurt them to let us know.
     
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    Agree.

    You know well that some sparkys can be more picky than others, same in any trade, and sometimes it depends on age and experience.

    2 reports can be similar, but someone more switched on and covering their backs can, and rightly so, say more.
     
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    States 19 for the North Stand. 25 for the West Stand. So if we ignore the west completely, thats just 67 stewards (if its being fully stewarded)
     
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    Bizarre that the North holds more than the west, and is more volatile, but requires less stewards. Maybe due to more modern layout?

    I’d guess the emergency match-day commando units that runs on is separate to these numbers though?
     
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    It's not difficult for the club to confirm or deny if they are basing decisions on the landlords report, or commissioning at their own expense (which in my mind immediately makes it less likely) a separate one. Surely that isn't asking anything difficult or onerous.
     
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