Rachel Reeves, Labour Response

I think a 33% lead is great. BUT, what really boils my **** is the fact that these people who have given Labour this lead were perfectly happy to vote tory while ambulances were queuing up outside hospitals and twenty hours, waits in understaffed A&E departments were the norm, no problem with youth clubs closing, school children having to take lessons in freezing classrooms, working people doing a full weeks work and being paid so little that they need the support of benefits, and on and on, but as soon as the incompetence of government hits them,,,,,,,,,Typical tories PATHETIC!

 

Exactly the points I take from it also .
Lots of people criticising my posts when i highlight that people are influenced by the press stating they make their own minds up etc etc , I don’t advocate that lots are doing do consciously but the headlines do make an impression on them and your post highlights this .
The Tory press and meds social or otherwise don’t highlight the points you make but yet they are judged as you say on what the press/ media are reporting on at the time .
Cameron was judged on a global crisis which the press made all about G Brown ,
May was made by the NI politicians and the people were all for labour till the Tory media went into overdrive against Corbyn .Boris was judged on a racist theme on Brexit , Thers plenty of time for the press/media to nibble at brains for the next Tory darling be it Truss or whoever , but they have to be a little bit critical so as not to seem too up their arses in the present climate , but they’ll soon be back in swing defending cuts to the welfare state and labour councils to turn votes back to evil Tory .

 

I agree that mortgage rates were not constantly at 15% but were on average far higher than recent times as well as wild swings between low and High.
That said I am not convinced that the monthly mortgage payments relative to NET take homepage now pay outstrip the 70s. Have you taken into account that basic rate for income tax was far higher then than now 40-45% I believe and relatively lower Allowance thresholds Having lived thought that time I don't rember It as a Golden Age of you had a mortgage and a family. Many had endowment mortgages that failed to deliver. Looking back at what we paid over the years and what we got when we sold the final housewe had in the UK considering all the improvements we made over the years we probably ended up no better off than if we had rented all those years.

 

Bring workers in from Poland. Oh nuts.

 

Yes, but if you only had a multiplier 2-3 times your average annual salary then you could reasonably be expected to pay off the capital in less than half the term time of today's young people.

 

You say that, but that’s exactly what they’re exploring. This could leave us in the ridiculous position where the brains of this country voted against freedom of movement,,,, but just for UK citizens.

 

Helen.. sorry to drag this one back but my point exactly. Enough people did make noise about the 45p tax rate and a U turn has happened, in quite an embarrassing way as well following the PM's interview a few hours earlier.

So Labour shouting and the public shouting about it completely worked.

 

lol have you just fell out of the tree?

 

No. It was the prospect of their own side not supporting it and a potentially humiliating Commons defeat that caused the about-turn. They retrenched so as not to undermine Truss' premiership before it got going. It is unclear whether they have succeeded.

Reeves meanwhile is looking like the intelligent and experienced (former BoE economist) potential Chancellor in the next government.

 

The last time I looked Michael Gove was a Conservative MP.

 

This is the most batsh it view of the weekend I've read.

When the chancellor came up with this mini budget, he had to sack his senior advisor who obviously objected, it didn't make him rethink. The OBR report said it'd be catastrophic, he shelved the report rather than admit his mistake. Then the market reaction cost the country billions, he didn't change his mind. The BoE had to bail out the government, not a peep.

So, if you think the reaction of the Labour Party was significant in the U turn, I'd love you to expand on how that happened.

Because for everyone else - it was definitely down to his own party telling him that they definitely wouldn't vote for it (even after a threat from the chief whip)

 

It was a combination of own MP's, opposition parties and the public.

 

Pretty damning from Mercer

 

If that’s what you want to believe, no amount of reasoned debate will change that. I’ve given solid examples of Kwartengs reaction to some very damning counterpoints, but you don’t accept it.

You’re entitled to your opinion, now matter how easily it’s discredited.

 

Labour HAD to say something, as they're technically STILL in opposition.
Tories are like an incompetent burglar who can't resist grabbing that last bit of silver, even though he's heard the sirens outside..

 

The big issue in the Tory party is the MPs wanted Sunak, the members wanted Truss.

They would normally regroup behind a leader, but her performance & the polling figures will have many getting twitchy, particularly in red wall seats. An 80 seat majority, or roughly that is quite a lot, but only needs about 40 to vote against proposals to see things getting voted down. There are a significant number that were loyal to Johnson who look like they will do this.

Hard to say clearly where this pans out. I reckon one scenario could be Kwateng sacked & a compromise putting Sunak back into the treasury. The other is Truss holding out & polls continuing to be worse & another vote of no confidence before the next election. They are all snakes in the grass, so hard to predict.

 

No way would Sunak work under Truss IMO.

 

Probably right there, but all the issues relate to the treasury, and he would be back in control.

I don't think it will happen either TBH. I'm a Labour supporter & pleased to see the Tories sinking in the polls under Truss, but on the other hand I can see her being given little choice in the parliamentary party to change the Chancellor, or walk herself. The people who fund the party will not take prisoners.

 

All the crap going on in the country and the people who voted to put us in this position don’t even care enough to stay awake.

 

i don’t think either her or her Chancellor will see them into the next election. If I were to guess they’ll get rid a few months before the next election then rebrand again as a ‘we’re different to the other lot that were in charge before’ party.