Red Hot Chili Peppers

World Leader Pretend is possibly one of the greatest songs ever written.

 

I saw this an hour later and thought of you*...



*Not you per se, because I've never met you and wouldn't know you from David Gedge (who I did once meet at a WP gig in 1989 when I was buying a t shirt), but the BBS who are reading the thread.

 

Coldplay and u2 though RHCP ( Californication aside) are ****.

 

It's alright (Nevermind) and Teen Spirit is a good song. But if I want to listen to The Pixies I just listen to The Pixies who did what Nirvana did on this album a lot better a few years earlier. It's not rubbish as I suggested but it doesn't have the depth of say Seamonsters and doesn't stand up to repeated listening 30 years later that Seamonsters does. And at times it doesn't sound like punk at all, it sounds like ROCK, sleeveless denim jacket over your leather jacket ROCK.

For their next album Nirvana turned to Steve Albini, who produced Seamonsters.

 

I noticed that Steve Albini produced Seamonsters, which is definitely reason enough to give it a listen. In Utero is much better than Nevermind, though it's hard work. Steve Albini produced Journal for Plague Lovers, the only truly brilliant thing the Manics released since Everything Must Go.

 

I don't listen to much of them these days, but again, got a handful of their tunes on my playlist. Cracking band.

 

Pixies are great, and they definitely influenced Nirvana, Cobain admitted as much very early on. I like both bands, but adored Nirvana, particularly In Utero and their final recording ever 'You Know You're Right' is one of the most incredible songs. To me of course.

This is why I like music threads though, because I just can't knock anyone. I find new (and new old) songs I like all the time. Some folk read books or listen to podcasts etc. I just have music on all of the time, even when I'm writing or creating video/graphic/art. Music inspires me.

 

You can certainly not like RHCP but overrated? Never in a million years.

They've been going nearly 40 years and are still much fresher than pretty much all of their peers. Obviously not at their peak powers any more, but what band is after that amount of time. Also, for the last decade they have been without one of (if not their most) important element, Frusciante. Klinghoffer is a good guitarist but it's not the chillis without John, we will see if they can get back to something like their best now that he is back.

Historically they were a defining part of a new music scene, for that reason alone they deserve the upmost respect. A collection of their greatest hits is as good as anyone's out there?

Not your taste. Sure.
Not a good band? Incorrect.

 

I loved Nirvana from first hearing Bleach, but haven't been able to listen to a full album since Cobain committed suicide. Same with the Manics with Richie Edwards...

 

I'd seriously recommend Journal for Plague Lovers if you've not listened to it. Recorded using lyrics left over by Edwards, it's probably what the album after The Holy Bible would have sounded like, but it's nowhere near as bleak. It's actually very humorous, albeit in a dark way, and it's certainly much less difficult to listen to.

 

Anybody else see them at the Trades Club on Racecommon Rd?

 

Most operated band ever
THE BEATLES
Couldn't play, Couldn't sing

 

I personally find them dull as dishwater, apart from a couple of songs.

 

I'm assuming that you're looking for bites. Because if not, I'd get to the doctor as you have some serious defects with your ears.

 

My two favourite songs of the era, both contained on one EP on Sarah Records, although these are the re-recorded versions, which I prefer. Don't worry, I don't expect anyone else to like them, check out the number of views as a gauge of how popular this is. But if you want a starting place for underground indiepop of the last 35+ years then this is a great entrance to that beautiful rabbit hole. Already you have reference to Sarah Records and Boyracer and from there it becomes enormous. Tiny bands, but tiny bands that released vinyl records and did world tours.

'Indie' became a dominant force in the early 90s and has remained part of the mainstream ever since, but I think most of it sounds like pap. The real stuff is out there, and it's influenced countless huge acts (Kurt Cobain was a real fan, he tattooed himself with K records), but it's rare I hear something that becomes popular that matches something that only sells 50 copies. I'm not being deliberately elitist, I love some bands that have shifted millions of units of product, but the Indie music to which most people have been exposed pales in comparison to what is actually being produced. Actually, not produced, played.

Boyracer sound like magic to me, like someone plunged their fist into my soul, pulled out what I like and played it back to me. Stewart Anderson, who basically is Boyracer, originated in Wetherby and is now a Cowboy (and a record label owner) in the Painted Desert near Flagstaff Arizona. Three years ago Boyracer played Brudenell Social Club in Leeds and I got to watch them play and talk to him and drink with him. That was a special night.

I can't claim any one album they released (other than the one I'm about to mention (which was limited to 100 copies, lathe cut, and I fk*cing have one)) is my favourite album, as Stewart is inconsistent as fk*c. In 2008 Boyracer released what they claimed was their final album, Sunlight is the Best Antiseptic (it isn't, he couldn't stop) and the final song (not track, song) on it is an autobiographical piece entitled The Last Word, which includes the lyrics
"I've written some great songs
I've written some so-so songs
But I've done it all on my own terms
And those Sarah songs, honestly, were never that great
Very derivative, sub-Buzzcocks, jangle bo||ocks"
How could I not love an artist who describes the songs that he wrote, that mean more to me than any other art in any medium I've ever encountered, as sh|te?

The final song of these three, Boyracer released in June last year. As I said, he couldn't give up. This last 12 months has taken more of me from me than the previous 48 combined. That song helped so much. It's only music, but it's music. At its best it feeds every cell in my body.

 

Thanks for taking the time to write that post. I've given the tracks a quick listen through, and I'll definitely do some more in-depth listening when I'm a bit less knackered and have more time. I love tracing stuff back to its roots. A lot of early Manics demos had this sort of feel to them. Tracing stuff backwards led me from modern trance and techno to Chicago and Detroit house, 70's disco, Northern Soul and Motown, with several other branches splitting off on the way. It was an extremely worthwhile journey.

 

Steve Albini produced probably my most treasured album of the last 20 years: The Magnolia Electric Company by Songs:Ohia.

 

Speaking of early 90s stuff, Teenage Fanclub have a new album out soon. Can't wait for that. They're consistently one of the top bands of the last 30 years IMO - three brilliant songwriters churning out tune after tune, although sadly Gerry Love left the group a couple of years ago.

Nevermind was mentioned a few pages back, and Bandwahonesque by Fanclub was released in the same year and is superior to me.

Melodies for days

 

Exactly that. And you already love one band that were part of the (American) scene I'm talking about. REM couldn't get arrested in the 80s. Radio Free Europe is an immaculate song. They are one of the bands that transcended, but it took them an awful long time. And the best video ever (and my favourite REM song) is pop song '89.

WARNING - ADULT CONTENT - NSFW

edit: Bo||ocks won't embed, link

-https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjMwfDFypa4-