Revoke A50 Petition

Voting division by geographical area has been caused by the concentration of power and wealth over the last 30/40 years . It's nothing new either . Here's the results of the 2005 french refurendum

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_French_European_Constitution_referendum

It's like a carbon copy of the Brexit vote . Look at the northern de industrialised regions for example . That's the whole problem with Brexit , it questions those divisions and how we got to this enpasse . No wonder parliament is gridlocked , it doesn't know what to do because it's the policies laid down by parliament that has caused the division in the first place .

 

Seems like the petition even with the dodgy entries is still about 14 million short of sigs..

Whilst I am not in favour of the petition in question, it does still show the deep divisions rife in this country, even very evident on this forum day to day. I also dont agree with the comments that the Tories should never have called a referendum, it had to be done at some stage as opinions on both side grew stronger every passing week.

We do need to still leave and honour the referendum result, but that does not mean both sides cannot compromise. My feeling around this is..

1. Keep freedom of movement for travel and business (people & services). Anyone wanting permanent settlement would need to meet certain criteria though, ie work, background checks. Not overly strict but have an instrument of control, without having to seek EU agreement.

2. Removal of ECJ supremacy in UK law.

3. Pay an annual membership fee to be part of a special trading arrangement giving full access to the single market, removing tariffs and the need for customs checks between the UK and EU. Akin to current customs union however retain the ability to make our own trade agreements independently.

3. Continued cooperation in cross country security initiatives and other projects where this could benefit us. We have plenty of hi tech expertise these days in this country, the EU should not ignore that.

Basically, it's just a step back from the ever closer political union which is my biggest fear that it is slowly growing beyond our control and will continue to do so. It is a genuine fear not built upon daily mail prophecies, but based on the known intentions of the want for more power to be shifted to Brussels.

I don't see that position as being a threat to jobs or our economy. It respects most of the main arguments for remain yet allows us to do the sensible elements of leaving (trade etc)..

 

Marlon, my campaign? What are you on about?

You’re so entrenched in putting your party politics across, that you are missing the point by a wide margin... Stop trying to keep the “us and them” going, it’s why we are in this sorry mess right now.

The inept politicians are what we have whatever, and yes, I’d still rather have my say on who is elected to Parliament and therefore running the country.

 

I can understand the feeling of people not wanting closer political union and we up to now have a veto as we did during the Euro .
Trouble is with your analysis of closer union brings us closer the reason being we lose our veto and place at the decision making table .
The referendum may have been inevitable but not in the format it was presented or the negative (on both sides) campaign that divided the nation.
The only way we can go imo is pay all our dues and leave which will make us poorer as a nation imo culturally, security and financially .
I honestly can’t see the reason why the country can’t be asked “are you sure “

 

So pretty much stay in the EU except for your point 2? We already had all of the rest even if we were not implementing the available rules regarding your point 1.

 

If only they’d all go for it....

 

Very close relationship without the closer union in political terms. Cant be a remainer though as the EU vision is the opposite of that.

 

And there we have it - winners/losers- Farage & Boris will be so happy - divided Britain! A 2nd vote is considered undemocratic? Remember, if it hadn’t been for Gina Miller, May’s Deal would be the outcome.

 

I didn’t say your campaign as in personal to you I meant the leave campaign as a whole , don’t know why you couldn’t see that tbh?
If entrenched you mean I stick by my views then yes because I believe in them I don’t know why you would think otherwise and the us and them ? What should I do ? Not debate? Let the opposite view go unchallenged ? I honestly don’t know what your meaning on this it’s as if you don’t want a opposite view . I’ll tell you what rather than stop my view you change yours that’ll stop the us and them as far as your concerned . Who else’s views should I put forward ? I don’t tell anyone how to post there’s I find your post and reasons bizarre tbh.

 

Even though this would be the ideal solution for most(?) of us there are lots that want to just walk away whatever the damage. Not sure the EU would accept this plan though.

 

our inept politicians,in my my view are not that inept at all,the overwhelming majority of mp's do not want us out therefore have absolutely no intention of getting us out and this whole fiasco is made by them in the hope that a second referendum will happen and people will be that pig sick of it all they'll just cave in and vote remain,anything for a quiet life.

 

If they do that then dek obviously they weren’t committed . I don’t think remainers would think like that ,

 

You would think it was bizarre... because you are not wanting to move forward in sorting out the mess, you want to push party politics to further deepen the split in the country. You then without compromise want your way, pretty much as everyone in each political party does at this point, which is why brexit or remain/deal or no deal will never have a chance to work. It’s not labour v conservatives.

It’s not my campaign, any more than the remain campaign was yours.

 

Yes bizarre . It’s as if your pleading with me to not put my view forward .’if you disagree with me post what you think but please don’t tell me what to post or what I should be thinking . Are you pulling other posters up as well ?
If you think it’s not labour v conservatives I suggest you get in real world cos as most of the posts in here agree that not involving the other party’s was a Conservative party decision .
Anyway if you disagree with any points I raise feel free to disagree but don’t tell me what I should or shouldn’t think , just ignore them if it gets your back up

 

britain is/was already divided,it did not not need farage or boris to do that.

farage knew decades ago that we were divided, masstricht scraped thru parliament when it was implemented,both the tories and labour promised us a referendum after its implementation,both parties lied and refused to give us one, farage formed ukip to fill the void left by the tory/labour lies..if you want to blame anybody for division then blame our two biggest parties,it is these two that have gone along with the eu objectives,dispite uproar from the members of the public

the rise of the bnp and latterly ukip happened for no other reason than because much of the electorate wanted us out and these two were the only parties willing to carry out their promises,.

had this referendum been held in the 90's,immediately after the signing of maastricht , make no mistake,the leave vote would have been much greater

also,it was not only just the uk that had large proportions of the political class and the population in general who were against the treaty,the whole episode only just scraped through in some scandanavian countries,the french referendum was only marginal in favour of its acceptance and in germany it had to go thru the courts..europe,on the whole is as divided on the political union as much as the uk is.

 

i dont agree marlon,i think many remainers would be happy to remain at all costs

 

You do know there's a game on lads?

 

Lol
I meant change their vote because they were fed up as you said about leavers would

 

ah ,i see

therefore i agree with you,however,i am of the opinion that the majority in the commons are not of the same opinion and neither are many remainers, who constantly try to say that we did not , at the time, have the facts about the consequences of leaving , that many were simply not educated enough to make a decision on the matter,that they were racists etc etc, the people peddling this tripe are obviously of the opinion that many of us thicko's would now vote differently.

 

**** me theres a match on.