Revoke A50 Petition

Please refrain from personal abuse.

 

I guess I see him as a troll because his post was so daft it can’t be taken at face value. I think what you are trying to say now is that you were thinking what colour would you get if you mixed everyone’s skin colour together as if it were paint. Where you went massively wrong though, and I don’t understand how you don’t see this, is that you landed on an existing skin colour and tagged the words dirty and shitty onto it. How can you not see that that reads exactly as if you class existing people with brown skin as looking dirty and shitty?

 

no, you absolute b*ll end.

 

I don’t feel safe here anymore, I hope you’re happy that you’ve essentially driven me off of the forum.

 

I’d love it if that was the case. See ya you dough ball

 

i'm pretty sure that had we mixed all the colours together we'd wind up with summat shitty mucky and brown, and yes thats exactly what i was getting at ie,if you mixed the colours up like paint, if you or anyone else take it that it means existing people then theres not a lot i can do about it because even after half a dozen explanations you still cant accept that i wasnt being offensive to anyone.
your explanation as to why you are not up in arms about his comments also, does not cut it with me and like i say, had his comments been about a black,brown or any colour other than white there would have been hell on and i'm sure you would have been the first to the headmasters office to report him.His opening salvo was to slag off barnsley and leave voters,its little wonder i retaliated,
he has openly admitted he is not jokin,yet you see him as daft.Bizarre to say the least.

 

You think he’s not on a wind up with the rest of his posts? My last post clearly implied I do see your intention now but that you were naive at best. I do think you are a genuine poster posting your genuine opinions though. Not that I agree with any of them

 

without doubt i see him as a wind up , but at the time , no ,i didnt , it was only as his posts got more ridiculous this became evident

naive maybe, but it would also help if certain people read everything before diving in, one of my critics admitted he hadnt even seen mr traders comments before he lambasted me.

still,i'll learn my lesson when gally gives me the cane after you went running to his office

 

Politics asside , I thought rogues initial post was incredibly racist .

 

exactly,thats what i was getting at

 

To be fair, I didn't see his either. I only saw yours because someone (Vesp maybe?) quoted it. I then saw his later posts that appeared on the same page as my reply to you did, I still haven't seen his original posts about from the one you quoted him saying. There's too many pages to see every post now, especially during a quick lunch break.

 

But he s pro EU ! Remember there are no racists on the EU side .

 

If I were you I'd delete the entire thread. It's an embarrassing disgrace. Regardless of political opinions.

 

That's exactly how I saw it, too. Saw it in a quote, thought it was disgusting, regardless of context and had to call him out on it.

 

its no problem jamdrop, in hindsight i can see why,( especially if people hadnt seen the original tripe rogue posted ) why things got missconstrued,but like i say it was never my intention to offend anyone, i was simply reacting to that wazzok and i'm certainly not going to fall out with folk over it
however vesp knew he was winding me up and admitted he was 'getting inside my head', he then chose to spout about debating skills ,well where i'm from debates dont lead to wind ups because wind ups usually lead to falling out and summat someone lives to regret.
i explained immediately to vesp but he was having non of it, ,

anyways,the matter is closed as far as i'm concerned

 

Just been announced that MP's have voted to take over the business of
Parliament in the hope that suggestions can be put forward to break the
current impasse. Let's hope, that a satisfactory resolve is not too far away so
that the whole " shambolic" issue can finally be put behind us one way or the
other.

 

Unfortunately, the worst PM in the history of everything ever has already pretty much stated she's likely to ignore whatever consensus they reach.

 

In reply to that, I would say Davis is correct, and that democracy can change it's mind...providing that the accepted precedents of democracy are followed, that a vote of the people is followed by enactment of that result...if opinions later change that is undoubtedly a reasonable opinion. I do not believe there is an example of that precedent not being followed, unless you can suggest otherwise.

In the case of Farage ( who I am no supporter of, except in the case of leaving the EU) he is (or has been) ....like Nicola Sturgeon, the head of a single interest party, neither will drop their lifetime aspiration, that is not unreasonable, .

In the case of Rees Mogg ( who I am also no supporter of) that was said in 2011, as a suggestion before the rules were set for the 2016 Referendum.

However I would counter with a list of Remainer politicians who all told the electorate, clearly and unequivocally that this was a one off vote.
Most, including the following, used the terms " Once in a generation vote"
Cameron
Osborne
Ed Miliband
Chuka Umunna
Brendan Barber (TUC)
Alan Johnson
Sadiq Khan
Nick Clegg

Blair said..." if we vote Leave there is no going back"
Embarrasingly (I would have thought)
Shami Chakrabarti said " it is an irreversible choice"
There are more.

To deviate from that position is disingenuous.

 

You make a fair point that there are people on both sides. Some did say we could have more than one and some did say it’s once in a generation. I can’t argue with that.

However, I disagree that the referendum vote should be 100% implemented before the country has a chance to change its mind. We were told that leaving would be easy. It’s been far from easy. We were told EU would give us whatever we wanted. They haven’t. We were told it would make us richer. It doesn’t. So many false promises were made from the people that benefit from Brexit happening.

The referendum was advisory and is not legally binding. Whatever way you paint it, that is fact. The leave campaign also broke electoral law. They promised many things before the vote (red bus, controlled borders etc etc) and the morning after the vote Farage sits on tv and comes out with something along the lines of ‘actually we probably can’t guarantee the things that were promised’.

I agree democracy should be followed - but not under conditions like that. In any walk of life if there is unfair/ illegal conditions to a contest it is considered null/void.

I can’t argue that many people who did vote to leave still want to leave - you only need to look on forums and twitter to see that - if that’s the case I can’t see what a leave voter would have to fear by a second say on the matter?

As I mentioned earlier ‘what is the EU’ was the second most googled question the day after the referendum. That alone should give enough indication that not everyone knew what they’d voted for. You may very well be informed on the complete ins and and outs of what leaving the EU actually means - but many people weren’t. Democratically they have a right to change their mind.