Revoke A50 Petition

I genuinely don't have a problem with principled people such as yourself that actually appears to know what they voted for.

The problem is that there were millions hoodwinked by one side or another. I would suggest, although I admit that I don't have any facts, that the majority of the uneducated and easily manipulated people were swayed by the leave campaign and promises of £350 million to the NHS. People that had no idea what the EU even is, never mind what leaving means.

 

You'd have to contact the companies and check. I don't have that data.

 

Every opinion poll, bar none, suggests otherwise. The closest one had Remain winning 55% of the vote. You need to widen the circle of your friends (ooh, matron!!)

 

To be fair, every opinion poll before the first Referendum suggested it would be a Remain Landslide.

 

Honestly, it is hard to state exact figures because of the way employment figures are calculated. IIRC anyone working 1 hour of paid employment per week qualifies as employed, which is why we have record employment. There are various examples of jobs, companies and/or company headquarters and cash assets leaving the UK. The latest to hit the news was JP Morgan staff getting new contracts that stipulated they had to relocate outside the UK in the event of a No Deal Brexit. Only 300 jobs, but that is 300 high paid jobs and a knock-on effect on probably 10x that. (https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/...-have-to-leave-uk-if-no-deal-brexit-bs5jb9zk5).

For example, the £1tn of banking assets that have left the country gave us 1% of the entire UK tax take for 2018. So, irrespective of nothing else, the government will get less tax in the 2019-20 tax year and either have to reduce spending or increase the deficit/debt.

 

Again, as the actual referendum itself, based on a blind in/out choice with no comprehension (by anyone!) of the implications of leaving/staying

 

Tee hee! Shock news just in!! Micky Finn quotes statement as fact without having supporting data.

 

On another note, I saw the other day that just the demographic change in the electorate could be enough to swing it. Aka. an estimated 2 million older people dying, who were more likely to vote leave, replaced by 2.5 million 18-19 year olds, more likely to vote remain.

I also feel (again, just a feeling I have, no facts) like many that didn't vote in the initial referendum, due to now knowing how to vote, will now vote Remain to get it all over and done with. Could be wrong though.

 

people vote in elections all the time and have no clue about politics

i bet you could ask all these 16 years (who are demanding a say on europe) who their mep is(or even their mp) and they wouldnt have a clue, i bet they have no idea what and how masstricht was agreed and scraped thru parliament,yet they think eu membership is the be all and end all.In fact i reckon you could ask a bus full of remain voters of all ages the same questions and they wouldnt know either but it does not stop them,in a democracy, having a vote.

who's to say that money will never end up in the nhs if we leave,we could quite easily wind up with a labour government who would be more than willing to use it in this way.

 

Utter ********. Nice try, numbnuts, but I didn't mention job losses, did I? I talked about the companies who have moved operations from the UK and cancelled projects and expansion here, the European agencies who have relocated (Medicines Agency one example - 900 jobs lost earlier this month) and the banking assets being shifted from the UK.

Hint: if you're going to come over all billy big-******** on here, son, at least check your facts first.

 

i think those who were eligible to vote and did not couldnt be arsed, not really because they didnt know which way to vote, the forecasts were there for all to see,they should have engaged and got to the ballot box, they only have themselves to blame bud and a re run of the vote cant take these people into consideration, not in my view .

 

come on ,lets not start losing our rags,we'll wind up losing the thread and debate

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to be continued as i've some warehouses to get to lol

 

There's this thing called Google, right....could be ********, obvs....

https://smallbusinessprices.co.uk/brexit-index/

 

So if you don't vote one time you lose the right going forward? Reyt democracy that is.

 

Ooh tetchy! My post was light hearted and it is true you did not specifically mention the employment figures but your response to Dek?implied the govt circular was entirely entirely.
Incidentally, as I am 65 it is extremely unlikely that I could ever be mistaken for being your 'son'! Bit patronising dontchya think?

 

I don't necessarily disagree, I also don't 100% think a 2nd ref is the best way to go, but I don't think it's a terrible idea.
As I said in another thread, IMO the method for a potential exit should have been decided before the referendum then it could have been put to a vote, no "The deal with the EU will be the easiest in human history" no "350 million to the NHS".

Too late for that now, though, we have to find a way forward one way or another. I don't envy the people making that decision.

 

Do any of you lot think you will succeed in changing someone else's mind by this endless barrage of posts? What a super waste of time and data it all is - we all have our opinions and I bet nobody would ever contemplate changing them. I've never understood the point of political debate and never will, most people's views are so entrenched that the whole exercise is completely pointless.

 

Not quite. Roughly 1.5m have died since the referendum and roughly the same figure has come of age. But that is a not insignificant demographic change. The deaths are complicated by the oldest age group (80+) being pro-remain in polling, whereas the 50-80 age group were the biggest Leave group. A larger percentage of UK citizens have been part of Europe since birth.

A lot of the UK citizens abroad have taken on foreign citizenship to protect their way of life, so may no longer be eligible to vote, and a number of EU immigrants have now taken on UK citizenship, so are.

But, generally, the demographics are enough to remove the Leave majority.

 

No, I treated your ridiculous, ill-thought post with the scorn it deserved. Entirely entirely.

 

No, but it's interesting to see different viewpoints, at least when there's no name calling, shouting or racism.

I don't personally know many leave voters, so it's interesting to have the chat. It's not about changing people's mind, at least not for me.