Ritchie seems to have the talent to spot talent

Guest · Sep 5, 2006

RE: That Glavin wasn't exactly a nobody...

Has anyone said that he wasn't?
My comment was that at the time Barnsley picked him up he wasn't a regular first team player and to some extent had "fallen from grace". The truth of the matter is, he was on the drink, in debt and looking for a way out of Glasgow, in order to prolong his life probably. Martin Wilkinson was aware enough to realise that if they could get him back to a reasonable level of fitness he could probably do a job for Barnsley.
If your skills are so great, why do you waste your and our time on this board. Why aren't you out there finding the next Ronnie Glavin. A word of advise though. Don't walk around Glasgow, with that part of your anatomy on display.

Terry Nutkins · Sep 5, 2006

I appreciate your advice

There were a lot more people than Martin Wilkinson to thank for Ronnie Glavin coming to Oakwell.

Anyway it was a flippant remark made half in jest.

One final point though.

Scouts go where the manager tells them to go. They might 'find' youngsters on the off chance at games but in the main they have been sent by the coaching staff to watch a specific player.

paul.d · Sep 5, 2006

I've just had to have a lie down!!!!!

a positive post from The Nudge

and a sensible one!!

let's hope he's right

paul.d · Sep 5, 2006

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Guest · Sep 6, 2006

Thank you!!

Now you have helped me to make my point, which was; That Andie Ritchie alone, isn't responsible for the "talent" which has been brought to BFC over the past couple of seasons.
Just one question though: How do the coaching staff learn about the players that they ask the scouts to go and look at?

paul.d · Sep 6, 2006

Ronnie Glavin at Celtic

<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" width="300" border="0"><tbody><tr><td width="112">Mar 21 2001</td></tr></tbody></table> <div align="left"><table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" width="300" border="0"><tbody><tr><td>Ronnie Glavin - Tic Through Time </td></tr></tbody></table></div><table width="500" border="0"><tbody><tr><td width="100%">

Stephen Sullivan

</td></tr><tr><td width="100%">Learning from the best, both on the pitch and in the dugout, is how Ronnie Glavin remembers his years at Celtic Park. 

As a boy, Glavin had been lifted over the turnstiles to watch the emerging Lisbon Lions, and he therefore arrived in Paradise more than a little starstruck. However, as he attempted to adjust to life among the very people he had idolised as a youngster, a lesson in man management from the immortal Jock Stein allowed the classy midfielder to forge himself a fine career in the green-and-white hoops.Now Glavin, who turns 50 on Tuesday, can look back on 149 Celtic appearances and a highly respectable tally of 48 goals to boot. And the man who now bosses English non-league side Emley admits that the influence of Stein bears heavily on him to this day.

He said: "By the time I arrived at Celtic, the nine-in-a-row record was coming to an end but the quality of player at the club was still absolutely frightening. Dalglish, Johnstone and McGrain - you couldn't buy players like them these days. I was a Celtic supporter as a kid so to be playing alongside my idols was unbelievable. But big Jock made sure I wasn't overawed by helping me settle into the dressing room.

"He was a very shrewd man; sensitive and sensible, and I can't speak highly enough of him. Jock made such an impression on everyone he met that, even back then, no-one doubted that he was a genius. The players all talked about him in those terms and, although some got on with him better than others, no-one ever had anything but complete respect for him.

"He was a unique manager. We were always wondering what his thinking was behind certain decisions, but the truth was that he was on a different train of thought to everyone else. His knowledge of the game was second to none and almost every decision he made turned out to be a smart one.

"In coaching, you always draw on your own experiences by deciding what you liked and didn't like as a player. So, in that sense, you can learn as much from bad managers as much as you can from good ones. But big Jock was obviously a great influence on me, and someone I'm very privileged to have worked with."

Glavin arrived at Celtic Park having played a starring role in orchestrating one his boyhood heroes' most infamous defeats of all time as part of the Partick Thistle team that inflicted a 4-1 reverse in the 1971 League Cup final.

However, while that afternoon made he and his team-mates Firhill legends, Glavin claims that every game for Celtic might as well have been at Hampden for the importance that was heaped upon them.

He said: "Playing for Celtic was certainly very different to playing for Thistle. At the time, big Jock had the team performing so well that they were capable of tearing anyone apart on their day. So, for me, it was a big learning process trying to show up well alongside guys like Dalglish, who was an absolute genius as a player.

"The build-up to matches was totally different because every single game was a massive one. I remember Jock asking me 'When you were at Thistle, for how many weeks before you played Celtic or Rangers did you think about the game?' I replied 'About three or four probably'. He then asked how I treated these games, to which I replied 'Like a cup final'. That was when he said: 'Get used to that feeling because, playing for this club, every game is a cup final.'

"That was the way it was for us in those days - we were expected to win every match we played. It was just fortunate that we had so many good players that we managed to do just that on most occasions."

Glavin's career at Celtic was a distinguished one but, after his departure to Barnsley in 1979, there were some who suggested that he had made a wrong move in spurning the advances of Manchester United five years earlier.

However, the man who was also coveted by Rangers until they discovered his relgious affiliations insists that his career, which later took him to Belenses in Portugal and briefly to St Louis in the USA, has left him without a hint of regret.

He said: "I've never wish that I'd made a different choice. I had some brilliant times at Celtic and I'm a great believer in the saying that what's for you won't go by you. It was well known that Man United wanted me and Rangers were after me until they found out I was a Catholic, but I never wanted to go anywhere else but Celtic.

"I have no regrets. In fact, I didn't really want to leave when I did but I had to accept that the time had come to move on and I never looked back. Playing for Barnsley was very different to playing for Celtic but I enjoyed it. It was a great experience for me and I managed to score quite a few goals. Playing in Portugal was another great learning experience for me, and I like to think I've taken my knowledge from playing in different environments into my current job."

These days, Glavin lives in the town of Barnsley - where he became a hero during five fantastic years at Oakwell - and continues to be the guiding light for Emley.

In fact, he was the man who guided the little non-league club to a famous FA Cup 3rd round tie against West Ham, when they played magnificently only to see a replay snatched from their grasp thanks to a goal just five minutes from time. Glavin makes it clear that the quest for more memorable occasions such as that is what maintains his enthusiasm for the game.

He said: "I'm quite set in my ways as a coach and I know exactly what I require from every individual player. I'm definite on how I want my boys to play the game and hopefully that will bring some success. Taking Emley to Upton Park in the third round of the FA Cup was incredible and that's obviously the kind of experience you want to repeat.

"I'm delighted to see that things are improving up at Celtic anyway, and Martin O'Neill certainly looks to be doing a great job. He's a smart cookie and he'll know that there's a way to go yet, but it's looking good so far and long may that continue."

RONNIE GLAVIN PROFILE

BORN: Glasgow March 27, 1951

HEIGHT/WEIGHT: 5ft 9in, 11st 6lbs

POSITION: Midfield

CAREER: Lochend Rovers (1967), Partick Thistle (Feb 1 1968), CELTIC (Nov 15 1974), Barnsley (June 5 1979), Belenenses (Portugal) (Aug 3 1984), Barnsley coach (July 10 1985), dismissed (Mar 1986), Stockport County player-coach (Aug 30 1986), caretaker manager (Nov 3 1986), resigned (Nov 6 1986), Cowdenbeath match to match contract (Nov 22 1986), St Louis Steamers USA (Mar 8 1987).

HONOURS: Scottish Cup 1974/75, 1976/77

Scottish League Championship 1976/77, 1978/79

League Cup (Partick Thistle) 1971/72

Second Division Championship (Partick Thistle) 1970/71

INTERNATIONAL HONOURS: 1 full Scotland cap.

CELTIC RECORD: 149 appearances, 48 goals. </td></tr></tbody></table>

Guest · Sep 6, 2006

so....

It's surprised you that Ritchie knows more about football than you? And that not every player you haven't heard of is crap?

JLWBigLil · Sep 6, 2006

Thank you for that , mi owd mucker .

I know I've just got up from nights ( prior to doubling back onto the afters ) but it appears thee and me agree on sommert !!! (seestars)

Ritchie seems to have the talent to spot talent

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