Rotherham rapists

1. See my original post in this thread.
2. You and I both know they'll do only what they think they need to do to spin it away until it all dies down: a few sacrificial lambs (only minor figures mind - nobody important), a few mea culpas, perhaps Ed will appear on BBC Breakfast once again to say, voice all quiet and sincere like, 'You know what, we got it wrong' for the umpteenth time, before carrying on just like before. The culture and ideology that led to the disastrous failings in Rotherham is very clearly of Labour's (and the rest of the left's) own making, fortunately the Jay report has thrown a huge spotlight on this now, and what results from such lunacy. The public look on with barely disguised disgust.

 

No you're quite wrong, some of us do, which is why we're so disgusted with the impact it and it's devotees have had in Rotherham.

 

no, you're right, "you can't even write racial abuse in excrement on someone's car without the politically correct brigade jumping down your throat"
ITS POLITICAL CORRECTNESS GONE MAD

 

My contributions will seem bizarre to you, no surprise there. My point/s are about the poor attempts at political point-scoring about all this. I went on to point out that other issues such as the Role of ther Police Commissioner that have been conveniently ignored no doubt as this was A Tory-backed role.
Another point I have made is that certain posters only come on here when there is Scandal/outrage etc when they believe it is the fault only of the Labour Party. There's been plenty of Tory perveted scandal over the years,and more recent but I've, not noticed you posting about them,

 

I genuinely don't understand what you feel is the relevance of the Police Commissioner role to the fiasco in Rotherham. These roles only came into being in late 2012, and the report into the Rotherham abuse scandal covers the period from 1997 to 2013, so surely you'd agree the Police Commissioner role would have had little or no impact on events?

If you tell me which Tory pervert scandals you are talking about, particularly the more recent ones you mention, I will happily give you my thoughts on these.

 

Stewart Lee fan eh? So you can't be all bad.

I'm presuming however that falling back on such lazy lefty nonsense means you don't have anything of particular note to add to this discussion?

 

I just wondered because you 'liked' a quote that suggested exactly that.

 

Because my "like" was that we should not go back to bigotry and casual racism, and basically throw the baby out with the bath water.

 

Stop making it political - it is not political. It is no more the fault of Labour than it is the Tories.

 

The irony of all this is police not wanting to take action so they don't appear racist - it's doesn't normally seem to stop them.

 

It's the same mindset that allows things like this to happen
http://www.theguardian.com/lifeands...red-dropping-charges-police-university-oxford

 

I'd agree with that but my post did not suggest that or even hint at it yet the poster took my comments that we should not tolerate PC pandering as a suggestion that this was what I was implying.

 

Seems attacking the labour party as a whole which you have done amongst others is political and nothing else. I suspect if it had been a Tory led council you would not have eben posted.
Blackpool is not a labour seat yet similar things have happened there also oxford etc etc .the real point is that crimes were committed in all constituencies and all persons in power or in a position to stop it regardless of political allegiance party's are guilty of neglect and should be scrutinised and punished if proved.
Because Rotherham is massively exposed I expect the media and political opposition to milk the fact that on this occasion its a labour constituency

I suspect the top Tory's are very wary because of the whirlwind that is gonna come out of this will encompass some of their own supporters etc.
As for Thatcher being totally irrelevant I would just remind you although I'm sure you don't need it. Hillsborough.Orgreave.the children's homes scandal.plus many others she was the queen of hiding scandal. Remember her words to Ingham when he was suspected in the children's homes scandal. ?

 

zWhitelaw not Ingh

 

I think I can rest my case now with this post. My points proven about the true nature of your posts.

 

This is political. The report has uncovered shocking levels of abuse being allowed to take place in a Labour stronghold, where a number of those close to these systemic failings appear to be close to (or in) the party. That the report has also established many of the failings were due to those in charge being craven to extreme political correctness around multiculturalism (both of which are ideologies/creations of the left – aren't Labour supposed to be the main party of the left?) just makes matters worse.

So you’re saying that if what happened in Rotherham happened in a Tory stronghold I’d be turning a blind eye to it because of what you think is my political allegiance? What an utterly shameful thing to suggest. You obviously didn’t read the post in this thread where I mentioned such crimes warranting the reintroduction of the death penalty which should give you some idea of my position on these things. Actually my job also sometimes involves dealing with child abuse/safeguarding issues and pursuing those responsible. Believe me – tha knows nowt.

If that’s the way we’re looking at this, you need to get your facts right. There’s two Blackpool constituencies, Blackpool South and Blackpool North and Cleveleys. South has been held by Labour since 1997, and North and Cleveleys was taken by the Tories in 2010 (crucially this was several years after the abuse scandal broke there), before which (as a slightly different constituency) it had been held by Labour since 1997. One of the two Oxford seats has been held by Labour since the early eighties. Both Blackpool and Oxford Council’s also appear to have been mostly Labour controlled over the past 20 years. However that said…….

Couldn't agree more that getting to the bottom of this and punishing those responsible, both the perpetrators, and those who failed to act and neglected their duty of care to the victims, is the absolute priority, as it always has been. Contrary to what you suggest above I also couldn’t give a monkeys’ what the political colour is of those responsible for failing to act ‘cos they didn’t want to offend one particular culture or another, and as such whenever these issues are uncovered I’ll happily see every single one of the f*ckers responsible for doing nothing nailed to the wall.

Who cares what any of the three main parties say about it, the wet Tories are no more use when it comes to tackling these failed ideologies than the God-awful Labour/Lib-Dem shower who champion them. In this case the media are pretty much reflecting what any sane person is thinking about the Rotherham fiasco. Obviously as this is all a right wing media conspiracy, left wing media sources such as the Guardian/Mirror and BBC won’t have said anything about it will they. Oh hang on……

I suspect all MPs of all colours are currently hoping and praying that similar bombs don’t go off in their constituencies, however wherever they do you can bet your bottom dollar that the causal factors will be broadly the same, which will only reiterate the fact that political correctness is a cancer that needs urgent attention.

Hillsborough/Orgreave irrelevant in this case. I’ve neither seen nor heard any evidence to date that would suggest Thatcher sought to cover up any types of abuse anywhere, only anonymous or (so far) unverifiable smears. However if you can point me to the evidence of her doing this (I don’t mean salacious stories sold to the red-tops, with unnamed/questionable sources making unverified/unverifiable allegations, I mean actual evidence) then I’ll stand beside you and call her vile for doing so.

 

I never cease to be amazed at how people with fixed views, political, or religious take any event and make it fit their preconceived notions. Criminals in one of our towns have enslaved and abused children and all you want to do is strengthen your political position. Isn't that exactly what the inept officials in the police, the council and social services were doing when they decided not to lift the lid on something that may have soiled their reputation? The problem here is a lack of moral courage to tackle the issue. Do you really believe that any of these self serving political parties has a monopoly on moral courage? All I see is a desperate lack of it from all concerned.


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Agree totally - I'd just say though that to look at the threads re Leon Brittain etc and see how quick some on this thread who are keen to play down the Political aspect over Rotherham were quick to make the other thread into a 'typical Tory' type thing.


Dunt matter if you're red or blue - partisan politics still rules.


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Well we'll see time will tell etc.
But what I do agree with as in my post that the perpetrators get exactly what's coming to them and not watered down in the judicial process by that I mean receiving 10years but only doing 4.and that all the people of power that allowed this to happen are punished in full and named and shamed.but not just a selected few as in the expenses swindles