Re: I do not think you understand where I am on about Mate Yeah I know, where sky usually set up, but you couldn't fit 300 people in there. Not with today's health and safety. It would be this sort of thing anyway: http://www.scotzine.com/2011/12/spl-to-approve-pilot-scheme-for-safe-standing-areas/ which would mean you couldn't fit 300 people standing where you could fit 200 people sitting, it would be the same number.
but one seat takes up two steps of the terrace so the capacity simply has to go up. Not saying it would double, but it surely must go up at least 30% I would have thought.
Re: but one seat takes up two steps of the terrace If it helps I edited my post and put in 250 first then 400 (way too much) then pipped for 300 thinking a bit ambitious
its all opinions and speculation right now though everyone will have their views on standing areas. Should we, shouldn't we. What is the place for them. One good point would be the terrace in front of the west stand, but that gets all the bad weather. A section of the Ponty, but what ST holders do you upset. Its a thorny issue. Some want it some do not. Maybe the last ten rows across the back of the Ponty. Lotsa options, lotsa opinions. Until the FA give the green light its all Pie in the sky.
Re: but one seat takes up two steps of the terrace But every standing place has a seat as well, like in the link I posted. There's little leg room as it is so you're not going to fit anymore rows in. I'm all for standing sections and if there's enough demand we should include them. Personally, I'd only use them at away games so I hope clubs cater for away fans.
Re: but one seat takes up two steps of the terrace Sooner the better. Never got used to sitting and it would improve atmosphere no end, imo. Hope they bring it in quick though, cos at my age the owd legs could give up on me at any time...
Re: would not take long to re do the concrete Fecked Sky along time back. You know if the club were to do it the cheapest option would be sought.
Re: but one seat takes up two steps of the terrace Standing = generally a better atmosphere. When away and everyones stood up its so much better. Would be nice to cater for poeple who don't want to sit down all match, and to the people that do want to sit down and not have their view obstructed.
Re: but one seat takes up two steps of the terrace Seems to me the best way is create terracing between west and Ponty and trial that. Limit to 200 tickets and see what take up is like. Sky can buy a box. Not sure how entry would work to the area without fencing to stop movement into louder area for those who want to sample it mid match or sneak into a seating area at standing entry cost
old terracing like in front of the west stand that has been converted to seats generally had the seat on one step and the foot/leg room on the next step , so if it was old terracing returned to its former state then you would indeed have more capacity. Modern grounds are as you quite correctly say one row for each seating row. But Older grounds just adapted old terracing which is why their capacity dropped. We still have all the original terracing in front of the old west stand, I may be wrong but that's what I thought.
Re: old terracing like in front of the west stand that has been converted to seats I sat in the west stand lower for the burnley cup match,first time i'd been in there since it was standing and the concrete steps the seats are set on are definitely not the old terrace steps,they are too big.
Re: old terracing like in front of the west stand that has been converted to seats Going back to the days of terracing, there used to be a floating group of about 20 of us who stood together on Ponty. On a match day there would be at least 4 or 5 who would be unsure if they could make the game or not, usually because of work/domestic pressures. If, say at 2.30, they realised they could make it, they would bowl down t'Well knowing where to find us. With seating this is now impossible and consequently that group has shrunk to just three of us. Bring back terracing ASAP. Mind you, the first season in the "new" Ponty, was unreserved seating which worked well for us.
Re: the corner between the Ponty and the west stand could be used too I did a project on the safe standing model at uni last year, in Germany through the Bundesliga and the Bundesliga II, the legislation is for every 1 "safe standing seat", 1.6 fans can be permitted to stand. 200 "seats" = 320 standing Charge a bit less, say £15, be more popular. Can fit more people in to the same area. 200 @ £23 = £4,600 320 @ £15 = £4,800 I know it doesn't pay for its self over a few games with £200 extra margin, but more people are likely to choose the standing option as the atmosphere will be increased and the tickets won't be as expensive.
Re: the corner between the Ponty and the west stand could be used too But will it bring extra people in? Or would it just be people who would normally pay to sit? If that's the case then the club will lose revenue and the club are forking out money to redevelop just so they can charge less. Doesn't seem like the best business idea.
Re: the corner between the Ponty and the west stand could be used too That's completely flawed logic. It only makes any sense if the ground is full to capacity and there's a waiting list of supporters desperate for admission. Oakwell is two thirds empty. If we created a standing area and charged people less for the privilege, supporters would move out of the expensive seats and in to the cheaper standing area. We'd get very similar attendances but generate much less money. It might bring in a few extra supporters, although that is debatable, but the majority who choose to stand will be those who currently occupy a seat.
Re: the corner between the Ponty and the west stand could be used too Fair enough, do they have fold down seats as well though? I would have thought people would pay the same amount for standing as for seating, especially if they include rail seats.
