Salmond Shafted

I have to say ive thought about this a little over the last few years and i think it is guaranteed win win for both egotistical manians, salmond and cameron. If independance is voted the salmond gets his ego trip into scottish history and cameron get what will turn into a conservative britain and idealogical austerity forever and ever and no one to stop it as scotland is a major opposition to the tories.

If a no vote then salmond can say he tried and can say i told you so while still raking in the coin and cameron can claim he kept the union together and rape the country still further until labour get back in.

All this currency and oil ******** is just scare mongering

 

I don't know much about this at all, so my opinion is worthless basically.

I don't particularly mind either regarding the vote. Although I think BOTH countries are better together. But if Scotland vote for yes then I hope the rest of the UK stay strong and make them go completely independent. Scotland want independence but are like a teenager that wants to move out of his parents at the minute "I want to move out, but if everything goes wrong can you keep my bedroom the same just in case"

Also, they don’t pay for prescriptions North of the border, so any money made from oil may struggle to cover their medical bills anyway!

 

Tizer, your opinion is very welcome mate. You are not alone in not knowing very much about it as the yes and no camps are not being very transparent. So I and many others are just like you but the worrying thing is we get the vote to decide based of the "facts" given.

I watched a very uncomfortable Osbourne give a threatening speech to the nation infront of a very selective audience and I for one was very unimpressed. Also he refused to take any questions on the subject, I can only assume he had no answers to give. He chose to sneak out of a side door to avoid the media. Kinda says it all for me on the NO argument.

As for free prescriptions. According to Salmond the getting rid of Trident from the Clyde and all of the millions that it takes to maintain it will more than cover the bill to retain the free prescriptions.

Also, apparently there are untapped oil reserves in and around the Clyde estuary but drilling for it has been banned due to Faslane and the traffic of nuclear subs in the area. If all true it does look pretty good for us.

 

Does anyone up there really think Salmond actually WANTS independence ? Or is he just playing brinkmanship to get more power devolved (to him)

He's nothing to lose playing the impoverished hard done to Celt, bullied by us nasty English - it's something the English regions suffer from Westminster too.

I just think he's vastly over simplifying the process - the money saved through Trident etc being a prime example. For once 'we' remove 'our' Navy - what then for Scotland ? What then re: NATO/EU etc ?

I've no agenda cos I can see why the Scots would want to detach from rule by Westminster, but the fact that The UK govt is fckin useless is in itself not a reason to break up the Union. imho.

 

The last comment about prescriptions was a little tongue in cheek.

But I do think it is a bit worrying that a lot of people voting on this won't actually know the implications. If i had to vote I would consider myself in this category. Although I do believe I know a lot more than most that will be voting, that’s the worrying part!

If it went ahead I think it would be a gamble on both sides and only time would tell...

 

That's how I feel too.

It'll not happen now like. I doubt if it would have happened anyway, but the undecided Scotts, who will sway this one way or the other, are not going to vote for independence now that they know they'll lose the pound if they do. There's no way on earth they'll want the Euro (who would?) and why vote for independence when you then lose all say on interest rates etc if you continue to use the pound unofficially. Obviously some will still vote for independence because they want it no matter what, but there'll not be enough of them.

Pretty sly, underhand move from the English politicians, or a great bit of politics, depending how you look at it.

It'll make very little difference to us down South whatever happens, although if they change currency far fewer of us will venture up there as it just makes it a pain in the arse. But I like Scotland and I like Scottish people so I won't be disappointed if they continue in the union. I want to be cheering for the likes of Chris Hoy and Katherine Grainger, not hoping they lose to the English competitor competing against them.

 

Personally I think politicians on both sides of the argument are being underhand. That Sturgeon woman is a VIth form student out of her depth.

What a way to run a country...

 

There was me preying and indeed believing there was a good chance for a yes vote - so we would never be governed by a useless Scottish government again. That scottish MP's never again had influence over my kids education whilst my MP has no influence over Scottish education then urrrgh. what a disappointment.

Bookies never loose.

 

According to The Times, Euro entry is dependent upon demonstration of at least two years' stable management of your own currency, and the porridge-stirrers haven't had one to manage. So it's the Poond and dictation of your monetary/economic outlook by Westminster or the Groat - which may be a very unstable commodity, being heavily dependent upon the oil proce.

 

I certainly hope the vote outcome is a Yes.

it will be great watching them slowly go down **** creek without a paddle. Even funnier when they come back cap in hand to us.

 

Does Salmond understand the determination of oil concession areas in relation to the continental shelf. I think not. Secondly, if Scotland gains it's independence, I do not believe that Orkney and Shetland would wish to be 'part' of Scotland.

 

On your first point mate, I've no idea on what he knows or doesn't know but surely he must be reliably informed and guided by those who do.

On your second point I can't comment on Orkney but my daughter although born and bred in Dundee now lives in Shetland and her partner is a Shetlander.
I must agree with your point of some Shetlanders not wishing to be part of Scotland. In fact they most certainly do not wish to be part of the UK preferring to one day be ceded to Norway as there are very strong links to the Nordic people.
I once asked my son in law if he thought himself as Scottish or Shetlander and he said Shetland. But does support Scotland in football and unfortunately Aberdeen FC.

 

Re: I certainly hope the vote outcome is a Yes.

And after such a horrible post you wonder why no one likes you.

 

"As for free prescriptions. According to Salmond the getting rid of Trident from the Clyde and all of the millions that it takes to maintain it will more than cover the bill to retain the free prescriptions".

The bit that would worry me there is Alex Salmond said it, now as others have said I am watching from a distance and no wiser than anybody else, but it would seem to me that Salmond more than anybody else seems to make it up as he goes along and just says whatever he thinks is a vote winner wherther its based in fact or not.

 

Not too sure what he means with that one perhaps I'm showing my ignorance here,but surely Scotland only gains from the naval facilities,I would have thought the local economy largely depended on the civilian jobs there plus the spending by local service personnel,and as to the cost of maintainence I would have thought that was born by the MOD not Scots taxpayers.

 

I lived a lonnnng time up there

so I assure its not horrible in the slightest

 

Re: I lived a lonnnng time up there

Hmm sounds like you have a problem.

 

See what you are sayin Sadbrewer but surely the MOD is financed through taxes of the UK. But if Scotland should leave and Faslane shut then the amount of taxes raised by Scottish tax payers towards Trident would be saved and put to other uses. See what I mean? Maybe that is where Salmond is coming from.

 

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NYR you could very well be right mate. There does seem to be very little proper information out there to make a good and honest decision on which way to vote. Having said that I'm absolutely p1ssed off and disgusted with this Tory Govt. and the thought of voting to remain as their doormat does not appeal to me one little bit. Would a Scottish Govt and running our own affairs be any worse than being raped by Cameron, IDS and Osbourne? I doubt it.