Sarah Everard

Seems like a massive own goal by the Met, especially considering the role that one or more of their officers may have played in the tragedy.

Should the vigil have gone ahead? Maybe not, but the police had to make a judgement call about how to react if and when it did. I can’t see any way in which the police response improved the situation. They should be held accountable.

 

Notable the police took a completely different stance in the "protest" in Parliament Square last night.

 

Interesting points. I agree with you about sensationalist media. I do think this post would have been better on the Sarah Everard thread though. Saves having to cross-reference.

 

Yep I wonder if admin could move it (merge). @Gally

 

Many of my ex colleagues have said the Met's response was a shambles. I agree, but I think that boils down to the fact that the Met for many years haven't been trusted. Poor leadership and the fact it is a constant political football doesn't help.

This morning the ex assistant chief commissioner stated that the best way to detain someone safely is to use up to 6 officers. She then went on to say that taking people to the ground to cuff them is the best course of action.

Well I've not done the job for quite a few years but taking folk to the ground is a big issue. Positional asphyxiation is a real thing and putting folk onto the ground was the last resort.
If someone isn't being violent, tac comms should be used. There is no need to cuff people everytime. If you have 3-6 officers on one person not offering violence then all you need to do is use an arm lock. The locks don't have to be used to bend someone over and cause discomfort or look in anyway violent.
It seems to my eyes that officers aren't dealing with the situation in front of them. They're just going to a standard practice no matter what's in front of them. You can hold someone's arm whilst at the same time speaking to them in the right way explaining what's happening. The conflict management / resolution model which is taught in your first few days of training seems to be being bypassed.

Anyways this whole issue should be about violence against women. We could speak about the Met and policing methods any day of the week.

 

Personally I think the Orville is rather entertaining and a lot better than the horrific mess they try and pass off as Star Trek these days. But that may be a discussion for a different forum.

 

The woman in those photos is an actress don't forget. Genuinely

 

Was never the same after Keith Harris died, though.

 

Was she an actress being paid to be an actress (or a agent provocateur) at the time of the photo? - If so, that looks bad on her and less bad for the police. However, if she was just a woman that was protesting for the safety of women, then her profession has no relevance.

Cressida Dick will not resign and is unlikely to be sacked for this. Which means that she has the support of the government. Therefore the minister responsible for policing should be in the spotlight.

As for the vigil. Yes, there is Covid and the current lockdown situation. However, there are ways to make it safer for all concerned (social distancing, marshalls, etc). If the Queen died tomorrow, do you think that the Met would refuse to work with the organizers to prevent a vigil from occurring? Or is it just when one of their own is accused of the kidnap and murder of a random woman (and also indecent exposure) that they have a problem?

 

There were also a number of male "protesters" at that vigil who were there with the intentions of causing trouble and influencinng the media reports.

 

That is beyond belief one of the most disgustingly abhorrent replies I have ever read on here.to compare sharing a view that people shouldn’t gather until the COVID restrictions ( because of the harm it may cause to others)to none existent homophobia is quite honestly beyond the pale not to mention libellous and as much as I think folk should keep their tempers in replies as far as I’m concerned you can f*** right off and shove yet another of your ridiculous assumptions up your arse
In fact given the untrue libellous content I’m surprised at the people who ‘liked’ it not withstanding one of them being admin on here!

 

Oh dear, you’ve got all angry and misunderstood the point being made.

As I’ve explained to Austiniho, the point is that the law can be wrong. So you taking the very simplistic stance that the people at the demo were breaking the law - which by the way is arguable, as you can see from all the disagreements on the thread - does not therefore mean that it was correct that the police acted the way they did. And to illustrate that, I’ve used an example from recent U.K. history where that was the case.

 

Ahh
So the cops are only pretending to pin her down.

Jeez

 

What’s that got to do with the price of fish?

 

I'm sorry maybe I did misunderstand but I still feel the comparison of my comment to an act of homophobia repugnant.
As people will be aware on here I have been consistently vociferous in condemnation of what I see as unnecessary gatherings,legal or otherwise that is not because I don't respect peoples rights I do!
But again as people will be aware that 2 years ago we had the particularly horrible experience of watching our son pass away slowly and painfully from pneumonia and for some of the time were on the general ward seeing others experience similar distress. That left me with the overwhelming belief that if just one family death by Covid could be saved then points of principal could wait until it was safe to do so.

 

You have been absolutely consistent mate, you are right, and apologies for the misunderstanding and the offence caused.

I can’t imagine how that must have been and no wonder it will always shape your view of things.

 

Why are a number of posters on her repeating myth that these gatheringas are NOT illegal. YES THEY ARE: The courts merely stated that automatic bans on gatherings under Covid are illegal. In this case the application put forwrd by tthe orgaisers was refused yet several hundred people considered themselves above the law. Ifit is not illegal then why and how are fines of £200 being given out.

So in the eyes of some on here they we should only obey laws we agree with!

 

It's started!

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I thought I must have been seeing things, when no-one else mentioned there being a number of males on the front line when it started to kick off.