Scott Wiseman audioboo..

I'm annoyed at the suggestion I'm siding against the club. Against other fans opinions, maybe. I disagree with lots of our fans. But I completely understand that is because we all want the same thing - to be successful - we just all disagree with how to get there. I stick up for Keith Hill because I thought he had a plan and a vision which would make the club more successful in the long term. The majority don't agree, but that's just my opinion wrong or otherwise. And I enjoyed the fact he was mental.

This issue is completely different. I just can't see where Scott Wiseman said he never tried for us. Just that he almost signed for Blackpool then Appleton left (we all knew that) and that he hasn't enjoyed his time here. Well I wouldn't have either if my boss had used me as a tool to beat a club legend (yes Keith was a ****). Maybe he shouldn't have said it. Maybe I just think he's a nor very bright lad with a microphone stuck in front of him straight after a game.

I never saw a lack of effort, just a lack of ability at this level

 

I don't think he deliberately put in poor performances. I've worked at places I like and places I don't. I didn't deliberately try to perform poorly in the places I didn't like, but if I'm being honest, I know I didn't put in maximum effort, where as I did at the places I liked. If I don't give 100%, my performance suffers. Isn't that the same for everybody? Where I was working I didn't have 10,000 people watching me whose happiness over that weekend sort of depends on how I perform, so it didn't really matter. When it did matter, I gave my all.

Scott Wiseman has always confused me. How can someone with all those good attributes play so poorly? Why can he be so great and then so bad? Everyone's inconsistent to a certain degree, no one is brilliant all the time, but Wiseman took it to extremes. I didn't understand it. I think I'm understanding it more now. I think sometimes he tried and sometimes he didn't.

Do we expect all our players to be Lionel Messi? It'd be nice, but we know they're not. What we do expect is 100% every game. I don't believe that someone who is willing to say they didn't like a club from day one is the type of person who would have put in 100% for that club.

 

For me, a lack of ability is misplacing passes, clearances going anywhere, losing the ball while in possession or continually mistiming challenges, if that lack of ability is a lack of skill. If the lack of ability is physical, it's getting beaten for pace, tiring in the last third of a match, or never winning a header. Scott Wiseman wasn't the best in the world at these things (well, he was as good as anyone I've seen physically), but he was better than a lot of other players in our team and rarely received criticism for those aspects of his game.

Wiseman was criticised for not getting to his man to cut out crosses when playing at full back and not sticking with his man or not challenging his man when in the centre. That's the part of the game that requires effort. You bust a gut to get to the wide man, Wiseman didn't, or make that cross your ball, doing everything to beat your man to it, and Wiseman didn't.

He didn't say that he'd not put in the effort, but he might as well have done. You don't do your best work for something you don't like. No one does. You do the job for which you've been assigned, but not to the best of your ability. You might give 95%, but you don't go that crucial extra yard which in the football world makes the difference between winning and losing.

 

Re: Remember him saying something similar when he left Rochdale to join us

 

Re: Remember him saying something similar when he left Rochdale to join us

My take on this, is pretty much in-line with Jay.

It was always hard to understand the fluctuations in Scott's performances. In particular, his bad ones, where his positional sense was appalling and his tracking back non-existant. My feeling is that if your heart ain't in it, and I have to believe this is the case when you come out with a statement of "I never liked it from the first minute", then your performance and concentration levels will naturally drop.

The good thing to come out of this, is that DW has sussed him very quickly and got shut. Scott did not have any backbone, especially once Flicker had gone, he had no "mates" left.

For me now, he leaves with a very bad taste.

 

Re: Remember him saying something similar when he left Rochdale to join us

Have to agree with that.

It's only natural that players will like some areas, clubs, managers, fans, grounds better than others. I can accept that. To say that aloud, to the media, after dropping a division, days after a club has kindly released you and I suspect paid something towards that... that's hard to take and unprofessional on Wiseman's part in the very least.

But it's no different to what happens time over to players who aren't good enough and happen to be on lengthy contracts. It's just not pleasant to see it though, especially at first hand.

 

Great post!

 

I didn't think he was as bad as some made out and whenever he did speak I thought he spoke well, eloquently and seemed to be a decent lad.

Not sure how you can't enjoy playing every week regardless of how **** you are and for your best mates as managers while getting paid thousands to do it. We're well shut.

 

To echo Dysons post and also Jay.

I think Wiseman has struggled, especially mentally, since he got here. He had all the neccessary attributes to be a good chanpionship player, however I dont think he had the desire, drive, or attitude to be a success. Yes, the fans gave him dogs abuse but **** me, at the times in question he was awful and I dont think Keith helped him by continuously playing him when he was at his lowest ebb.

What he needs to understand, is his time at Preston won't fix his issues, one or two bad games and he'll be back at Square one but division lower. His confidence is fragile, I dont think he is strong enough personally to be successful whatever division because I dont actually think he wants it enough.

In the interview it wasnt a very well thought out and considered reply to a genuine question. He'll probably live to regret it, especially if he has previous but it is what it is; I'm glad he has gone, it was best for all concerned and I would bet a pretty number that this will not be the first and last time he drops down a division, like I said, he hasnt got the heart for it, to be a successful professional footballer.

 

I'd say there's at least half a dozen more with this attitude in the squad, digging deep and giving 100% every match will get the fans back on side in football anyway, there's a lot more abuse on offer in many many other professions in this world and with a lot less pay and reward at the end of the month! glad t see bk!

 

Wiseman is made of straw with a pea for a heart. If I was a PNE fan I'd be wondering if he's enjoying it with them from day 1.

Considering he played every week for us regardless of form I can't see what his beef with us as a club is re being a footballer. Maybe that was the problem, maybe he'd rather be on a bench picking up his wages? Clueless, heartless weakling is Scott. Good riddance.

 

wiseman was fcukin w@nk,end of story,not good enough, he'd never have made a championship player as long as he's oyle in his @rse,he's been run ragged by practically every opponent he's come up against,theres plenty of us thought this but we've kept quiet because last time owt was said he started ****in rooring like a babby.Danny Wilson obviously thinks the same as me and a few thousand others that had to endure his league 2 quality every other week.

 

Good riddence to bad rubbish

A cry baby who put in very little effort

Why a cry baby? He recieved about 3 abusive tweets from I think just 2 people and acted like the whole world had abused him on twitter and went public with that as well. Removed his account citing all this abuse and then his girlfriend/wife continued in the same vein by taking a tweet such as 'I dont rate Scott as a player but it's the manager who picks him and Scott is just doing his job' as abuse prompting her to block the sender complain about abuse and privatise her account.
A cry baby by being so utterly unprofessional as to state that you never liked who was paying you thousands every week .

Why no effort? Because if a player was bigger than him he simply decided not to jump to win a header. He couldn't be arsed to even try to stop striker after striker from having a free header. He never sprinted over to cut out a ball down the wing or to make sure he was in the right place to mark his man. And worst for me is that I have lost count of the number of goals we conceded where he was just stood in the box nowhere near anyone not because he was **** but because he simply couldnt be arsed to run towards a player and try to do something. A lack of ability doesn't stop you doing that, it might mean you don't stop the goal but it doesn't stop your legs from running towards a player. The only thing that stops that is a lack of effort.

It is my opinion that he thought he was a superstar and untouchable under his mate Keith Hill and he was truly amazed to find that outside his close circle of biased friends nobody else shared that opinion. One of many of Hills mates who the clown has for years told they are the best players in the world and they all fell for it

 

Boo

 

You must be bored.

 

Just wanted to listen it again to jog mi memory so i don't feel horrible booing him Friday

 

I did wonder why you'd be thinking about Scott Wiseman. I'd forgotten he plays for PNE.

 

I'll not be going so give the twohat some hammer from me too.

 

The top and bottom of it is that Scott Wiseman has a lot of the attributes to be a decent player at L1, possibly even lower Championship, but like Tom Kennedy, and Reece Brown they're ball watchers, the simple bit that should be second nature even in a pub footballer isn't there.The higher you go the more you get shown up.