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  1. Hud

    Huddersfield Red Well-Known Member

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    With our management team of Patrick, Maurice and Ben you would think they could have found a good candidate in advance. It looked like we sacked Flicker without a plan which seems astounding.
     
  2. RichK

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    Aye shocking that we didn't have a plan. Now we've got one though you want us to rip it up just because we're not flying in the first 6 months of it.
     
  3. Marc

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    you see, this is why i struggle with some of the pro-wilson support.

    flicker took over with us in a worse position than when danny did, and achieved the miracle in his first 6 months. within 6 months of the new season, he was sacked. and according to you, flitcroft was a disaster. so you're discounting his first 6 months and judging him on his second half? just 6 months. with no time to build, and you're claiming he was a disaster?

    however, you're not prepared to accept wilson's first 6 months, failing to keep us up under stronger circumstances than flicker had. you're also asking people to keep supporting wilson and saying that 6 months into the first proper season is far too early to pull the trigger?

    i'm not saying flicker deserved to stay, and i'm not saying danny should go. i just don't think some people are judging danny wilson by the same rules that they've judged previous managers.
     
  4. RichK

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    I can see your point. I judge flicker in retrospect though, he's gone so that can be done. Danny's still here so need to judge him differently at this point. We can't say histtime with us was ultimately a disaster because his time, and plan, is still ongoing.

    I didn't call for flicker to be sacked either though, I don't see it as my decision to make. But I was glad to see the back of him, there were things about him and his management that annoyed the **** out of me.
     
  5. Cun

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    I don't think the 2 can be compared in reality. We sell
    COG and Steele which enables up to more or less sign a full squad on those 2 wages alone. Yes they were in a higher division etc etc.

    Flickers achievement in the Great Escape are in amongst my top few BFC moments. It was legendary. Although I still can't get my head around how the followed that up rock bottom the following season?!?

    I think, In the interest of all things BFC that DW (or whoever had been given the job) be afforded a proper 'go' at the job. 2-3 yrs minimum with his own players to build something. If that doesn't work after the timespan then fine. I'm sure if that time comes we'd be in a position to attract a far better calibre gaffer knowing that the board showed patience and he'd be given time.
     
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    Flaming wonderful, now we have to listen to months of whining blunts telling football heaven how they have to go and get him as manager. I think I've reached my tipping point with that show.
     
  7. Marc

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    i'm with you mate. i think 2-3 seasons is fair (within reason). i'm just not convinced that everyone who's asking for all this calm and patience, has given previous managers the same.

    you could look at all manner of things, all ifs & buts. what if keith hill hadn't lost butters, vaz te & drinkwater?

    while people now scathe about how hill, flitcrof et al wrecked the squad for years - how many disapproved of all the new contracts that flicker set up? from my memory, there was actually massive excitement that he'd kept the squad together. hindsight's a wonderful thing

    my personal view on flicker is that there wasn't much more to him, beyond the tub thumping. for reasons i'll never understand, he switched from a 3-5-2 that had worked a dream, back to 4-4-2. the very thing that got hill sacked in the first place....ironically, everyone is now clamouring for 4-4-2 under danny

    as for keith hill - as it stands, looking at rochdale pre and post barnsley, you'd probably have to say it were his behaviours, not his ability as a manager, that scuppered him at barnsley. he just didn't fit
     
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    You're probably right and it may be unfair on some previous managers but I think many people have just reached the point where they feel enough is enough and we have to do something differently if we want a different result. I certainly feel that myself and I'm at least as happy throwing my "support" behind Danny as any of the other realistic candidates.
     
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    Nothing at all to do with him being the worst manager in any 12 month span in BFC history then ?
    He is back where he should never have left. If he leaves again he will **** it up again.
     
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    I was just gonna nearly post word for word in reply to Marc's excellent post.

    It's time for a change in terms of employing managers who the entire 'selection panel' agree on. Then within a school term get squeaky ass time. It's like they don't wanna be accountable. If I'd been part of a team employing multiple managers on contracts that are never seen out over a decade when they've all but 'failed' I'd be looking at myself.

    As a related aside, I've often wondered what (in today's example) an IT businessman, a sport lawyer, a hospital shop retailer and a former sports agent (I'm just using this example to make a point really) qualifications to pick a football manager?

    I'm guessing they'd not consult DW when recruiting a new defence barrister, retail marketing exec etc etc.

    Next time we recruit, I'd like some proper football input. A panel of ex pros, former coaches etc who have the club at heart.
     
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    Or an ex chairman who knows the game inside out?

    Eeek
     
  12. Cun

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    We all know the game inside out..... nuff said innit!
     
  13. Marc

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    Partly, but not entirely, IMO. Didn't you also think David Flitcroft should have been sacked? Yet his statistics for us are better than Danny Wilson's. He also kept us up, and Wilson didn't. Flitcroft, Robins, Davey, Ritchie, Thordarson, Spackman, Hendrie, Anderson, Machin, in recent years...all have better win ratios than Danny Wilson currently has. And that's not a strong list of ex-managers. I can't say I remember the fans asking for time and patience, for many if any of those, when they got axed.

    Conjecture.
     
  14. madmark62

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    No,I said he should never have been given the job, different thing, I bet you cannot find a post from me saying he should be sacked !
    My thoughts on Flitcroft had nothing at all to do with his managerial qualities ! Hill , in my opinion was a total disaster, he was the wrong man for the club. He got the sack, totally because of his ineptitude during his final 12 months here. I know he lost a few players , but he signed plenty more to cover that loss and failed miserably! So to me that says the first few months were a fluke at best !
     

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