Seems like Davey is falling out with his shadow

RE: and how to stay up.

I bet he's got a picture of Denis Wise next to his bed

 

Aye because thats exactly how it works

Danny wilson has a picture of Mark McGhee next to his bed & Andy Ritchie ones of Kenny Jackett & Peter Jackson because bart their **** ups we would never have made it.

 

And

he's got one of Phil Brown, Steve Tilson, Kevin Blackwell & Bill Tomlins. I bet they aint got one of Davey though

 

Furthermore

I do feel a bit hypocritical about these matters

We WERE lucky to come up and we HAVE been lucky to stay up.

If you can credit one manager you can credit both.

 

Why on earth do you have to be so derogatory(spelling?) about AR all the time

You are like a broken record, Ritchie only got us promoted cos the other teams fecked up. FFS
The season lasted from August till May, we got enough points to get in the play offs, cos we deserved it.
Just like this season we got enough points to stay up cos overall we deserved it.

That does not make Ritchie a saint and it certainly does not make Davey a god. But give some credit to BOTH of them

 

Davey performed a minor miracle in keeping us up.

I moaned like **** when he got the job, but credit where it's due.

He deserves at least the first 20 games of next season to continue the work he's done. If we're not hopelessly adrift at that point, let him carry on.

 

Too right. We have a small squad to start with without

having to get rid of players cos the manager can't manage them. There are even rumours Vacation Davey fell out with Eckersley, a loan player ffs!</p>

It seems the guy only has one way of dealing with anyonehe has a disagreement with and that's to get rid. Management is about getting round these problems, for instance when the 2 Sunderland players missed the bus and they were left behind, Keano had them in the office on the Monday and the matter was put to rest there and then, he didn't proceed to hound them out of the club!</p>

Let's face it, dealing with young men with too much spare cash and too much spare time is always going to have it's problems, if we get rid of a player every time something crops up then we'll have one hell of a turnover of players. I'm not confident we have any chance of going forward with the management style we seem to have in place at the moment. Good job McIndoe went when he did or there would probably have been full scale war in the camp by now!</p>

 

Blackadder, that's the most prudent post you've made for some time and I do not intentending to patronise. I feel there could be some issues with Davys man management inspite of the need for radical change towards the alleged drinking culture. All of this however, is based on pure conjecture because at the end of the day I, like everyone else, are'nt there to witness what goes on behind the scenes. Until we get hold of the full story,if ever, then each of us can only guess. I just hope the man is not smittend with the need to be a "Power freak".

 

Too many managers !

Thats the root of the problem.It makes so difficult for a new man to assert his authourity,especially a rookie like Davey.Most of the senior players would be expecting him to be shown the door. If they showed him lack of respect and he can't win it then get rid of them, or him.

 

'Vacation' Davey - not trying to work a spin there...

...FFS everybody deserves a holiday - especially if you've just kept Barnsley up by the skin of the club's teeth, on virtually no money, and a squad as thin as Victoria Beckham. It would seem that you'd deprive him of his personal and family life and have him chained to the desk or training ground, either looking for new signings or working with the squad we have.</p>

Let's face it, the way things were with Ritchie were glorious when we got promoted, but there was a dark time last year when Ritchie seemed to lose the plot and the club was going into a sheer nose dive. It's not conjecture - it's not argument - the table doesn't lie. There wasn't any light at the end of the tunnel other than 'we're going to turn the corner'. We were going to get relegated.</p>

The chairman took the appropriate action, and although I was as sceptical as anyone else when he appointed Davey with his 'dossiers' and 'coaching badges' argument, Davey showed the cluband the league that he had the steel and the discipline to get the squad back into shape and do enough to keep us up. Addto that the manycritical signings that were made.</p>

Davey needs to be tough. It's not a holiday camp, and despite thefact that our players will be very well paid, they need to know who the boss is. Remember,it's better to be feared than loved - just ask 'Relegation' Ritchie.</p>

 

Very good and fair summary

considering the hours and mileage the guy has been putting in of late, I think he's earnt a break, besides which he's already identified the players he wants and the Chairman is working hard to make it happen. people need to show some faith ffs....

 

couldn't agree more.

A lot of those players will be on £50,000 a year - and its unlikely that they will be putting in more than 40 hours a week. It's not much to ask of them to adhere to a bit of discipline.

 

it depends on how you assert your authority. Some people have to rant and rave others bring about change by self assuringly confident methods. the outcome will be the same it's only the method which is different.

 

That will be the measure of the man.

 

You just don't like the bloke....

You kick him every chance you get.

Negativity breeds contempt, and you seem to get plenty...

 

Not true. I've not really criticised him much in the past.

Show me where I have if you don't believe me, you'll not find anything.</p>

I'm just concerned that we are now losing players from the club due to 'clashes' with the manager, that is a fact I'm afraid whether you choose to accept it or not. I'd accept them going for football reasons but not for this, especially as it is not just one player, we are looking at 4 or 5 going. We then need to replace them, we have a small squad anyway so the exodus does not help the 'competition for places' the Davey supporters continually bang on about. Who do we then get in? We don't seem to be able to attract new players too easily for whatever reason, whether it's wages or whatever; that shows how others view us. We don't seem to be able to convince players we have ambition enough to get them to sign and we are hot favourites for relegation, this may be OK for you, but not for me.</p>

 

RE: It's better to be feared than loved?

I find your references to my wife to be totally unacceptable. There is clearly a difference between managing a football team and the way someone conducts themselves in a married relationship. I think you should apologise. It sounds as if you are trying to suggest something about my character and it is up to you to reassure me that this wasn't intentionally the case.</p>

As for the statement 'better to be feared than loved' - it's an accepted management doctrine that was written in the fifteenth century by Machiavelli - the rest of the statement is '...but it is never wiseto be hated'. The principle is basedupon the fact that if you depend on popularity tomake your decisions, you will not be able tomake a difficult, unpopulardecision successfully. Everyone has to make unpopular decisions from time to time. What you depend on in such circumstances is respect - and until you have that it is safer, politically,to be feared than loved. In time, when you make a series of decisions which were at the time unpopular, but in hindsight turned out to be correct, you will win respect and become a genuine leader - not just the first amongst equals (as it would seem possibly Ritchie was). As it stands, Davey is establishing himself successfully, he has made a series of unpopular choices, and he has begun to impose himself. Alex ferguson had to go through this atMan United at the start of his reign - many greatplayers had to leave and he had to impose a drinking ban too - but that's management.</p>

I think you're confusing management with a popularity contest. Oh, and by theway, I am a manager. </p>

Thisisthe very last time I will engage withyou on this board, because I genuinely found your comment about my wife to be unacceptable and highly offensive.</p>

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Its all speculation and no one knows exactly what goes on..

behind closed doors...

But at the end of the day he's the Manager and should be able to control the players as he wishes, if some players don't like it then they should leave.

I manage over 250 staff.. If I thought I had to drop standards or discipline just because I was short staffed (or in Davey's case had a small squad) all hell would break loose...

He's the Manager, let him get on with it...

Oh and calling him Vacation Davey is having a dig at him, think you'll find that most Managers are away on hols at the moment.

 

RE: It's better to be feared than loved?

It's a pity you're not going to talk to me, your post is the the best laugh I've had in ages! Nice one, it genuinely made me laugh out loud. </p>

 

Why did you laugh?

Its one of the most well written posts that has been on here in ages.