So Khan won because of a head clash...

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  1. Loko the Tyke

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    How do you rate Calzaghe's chin?

    I love the fact you didn't pick up on the first paragraph I wrote.
     
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    RE: How do you rate Calzaghe's chin?

    What has Calzaghe's chin got to do with it (it's awesome).

    In reference to your first paragraph - as I've posted elsewhere on this board - I thought that Barrera looked unhurt by the punches and combinations that Khan was throwing, and that's all very well being agile and moving in and out keeping your hands up for the first four rounds, but later on, when you become more static, and your arms get heavier, and you don't keep your guard up quite as consistently, then the smaller man with the better chin (and the equally impressive guard) comes in to it. The comparison I drew was Ali and Frasier - for their three fights Ali went off like a rocket at speed, moving in and out made the smaller slower man look very ordinary, as the fight went on Ali got beaten up badly and all three fights could have gone either way.

    I feel sorry for Barrera - he has the heart and tenacity of a lion - and he deserved the opportunity to show what he could do over the long haul.

    The fight got stopped because of a clash of heads and a cut - not because Khan had Barrera in trouble.
     
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    Calzaghe was knocked down in his last two fights

    Kahn was knocked down by a body punch from Gomez, and walked onto a punch from Limmond (due to what now appears to be his old style of boxing). However in both fights he went on to win. Yes they were average fighters, but he was still learning the professional game. The Prescott punches were wild swings that caught him full on, and even then he still beat the count! Ricky Hatton went on to say he would have struggled to get up from those punches.

    Barrera never looked in serious trouble, but he looked stunned on a couple of occassions, and taking shots constantly, whether they hurt a lot or not, tire a boxer out. Freddie Roach says Kahn is the only boxer in his gym who can keep up with Manny, so how do you know Kahn would have tired and become static? Kahn who is the younger, fitter fighter, fighting at his natural weight? Against Barrera who was fighting at the heaviest weight in his 72 fight career? A Barrera who may have the heart of a lion, but has failed to show any sign of the boxing skills of old in the last three to four years?

    The cut was unfortunate, and it did ruin the fight, but Kahn looked well on the way to being the fighter some of us hoped he would become, and if Freddie Roach says Kahn is the next World Champion out of his gym, then who are we to argue?
     
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    RE: Calzaghe was knocked down in his last two fights

    Well, you're clearly a fan of Khan.

    I think it may be premature and optimistic to rule a line under Khan's previous knock downs and call it 'his old style', and that his new style is a cure all for the problems of the past.

    He didn't beat the count on the Prescott knock downs, he got to his feet once and then got knocked into a alternative state of consciousness. Please don't tell me that he somehow gathered his wits and stood up. He was well out of it. To call them wild swings is also a bit unfair on Khan - Prescott is a good fighter, who hit Khan with some venomous shots.

    Drawing a comparison between the chin of Calzaghe and the chin of Khan seems silly to me. The people who have been throwing shots at Calzaghe have been much higher calibre and throw much heavier punches than the people who have sat Khan down.

    During the fight Barrera hit Khan at least twice with shots that made Khan's eyes go wide like 'Ooops, don't want any more of those'. The fight was just starting to get interesting when the blood stopped it. I'm not trying to be unfair on Khan here - he was doing very well, he had an excellent start, and was well ahead on the cards with every round, but that fight (apart from the cut) was not over.

    If you follow your logic, of referring to Barrera as a 72 fight, past his best man, who hasn't shown anything decent in three years, well Khan hasn't actually achieved anything at all tonight, and I had credited him with slightly more than that, because I seem to hold Barrera in a slightly higher regard than you do.

    Personally, I think that Khan is interesting fighter, he is exciting to watch, but I think he's flawed and I don't think he's going to make the hall of fame as some people do. I think he will win a world title, because he is going to be very carefully managed.
     
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    BTW

    good night mate and thanks for your opinions (Y)
     
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    I'm actually not Kahn's biggest fan

    However I like the way he conducted himself in the wake of the Prescott defeat, and since he joined Roach's gym in LA. I was one of those praying for him to lose when he was calling out the likes of Nate Campbell and Manny after just 14 or 15 fights. But the Prescott fight brought him crashing down to earth, and I've been impressed since.

    I take back the comment about wild swings from Prescott, I was just trying to emphasise the velocity in which they were thrown. Kahn was gone, there's no doubt about that, but he showed great heart in attempting to get up after taking such a punch full on the chin.

    I never said Kahn is cured, that's yet to be seen, but what I did see was something that gives me enough belief to think he's twice the fighter he was before tonight. Time will tell, but I didn't see him look stunned, yes he got caught, but I think there's so much hype surrounding his weak chin that everytime he gets hit people are looking for his reaction. He got hit tonight, but no reaction, much like Barrera did too.

    My comparison to Calzaghe isn't a silly one. The shots that knocked Calzaghe down weren't big hits, nor did they hurt him, they just got him right walking on, much like Limmonds did with Kahn.

    I hold Barrera in a very high regard, but unlike Hopkins and Mosley, Barrera hasn't been active, hasn't fought at lightweight before, and doesn't even have the same trainer who he had through the glory days. Don King convinced him to come out of retirement for a couple of paydays with the hope of landing one of the weaker World Titles, therefore securing his place in history. I think kahn showed tonight he has matured, listened to his trainer, and is capable of following a game plan. Not much, but it's a good platform to build on. He'll never be one of the Worlds best fighters, but he'll be a World champion, and he'll go on to beat Prescott.
     

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