so to summarise from monday

I'm impressed, I didn't realise he'd ever met a female.

 

I'm imagining the commentary now.

"Amazing scenes at Oakwell where a Barnsley supporter has leapt over the advertising boards and charged over to the referee. He appears to be pointing at his right foot and shaking his head. Our pitchside reporter Wonky Panini has more."

"Yes hello, Wonky Panini here. It's absolutely incredible Jim. A young fan has pulled out a copy of football manager 2012 terms and conditions which appear to back up his argument that because the attacker went down the outside of Jay McEveley forcing him to attempt a tackle with his weaker foot that an infringement should have been called and the goal should not stand. I've never seen anything like it in my life. Wait, whats this? The fan appears to be making a call on his mobile phone. I can't believe it Jim he's phoning CR7 and asking his opinion on the matter. I can't take it anymore, back to you in the studio."

 

'Hemsworth and his football knowledge...'

First - "hes a better player for is position defo"
Then - "if you read what i put i wasnt comparing them as footballers i was comparing them on right foot use"
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God thar hard work kid.
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"seen perkins at left back twice and i thought he was weak both times"
Erm, did we not beat Palace? Ok, he was beaten down the line twice, by ZAHA ffs, who is quality against most proper full-backs. He wasnt to blame for the goal, that was Fosters weak back-header to Steele. I thought Perks did a steady job, and lets be fair, Zaha would have murdered JayMac.
And against Grimsby you say, he was awful? Did we not thrash em? And, you ARE comparing JayMac and Perks. Thats exactly what you did. You say that JayMac is a fine LB, and better than Perks who was weak in the two games mentioned - we won both games...
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"Really dont agree Whitey. I sit in ESL and for one half a match he plays on my side (NEVER?!) defending and i watch it. Hes fine. When he went to left back he was fine (the last 10 mins at 3-1 down..) he had there right winger fine and there right winger new it."
Jesus wept, what can I say to that?
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But seriously Phil, please re-read my opening post that you disagree with. I clearly state that he's a poor LB, and that playing him at RB was a crazy idea, an idea that Keith stuck with until it was too late. So I blame Keith, not Jay. Its not Jays fault that he is a mid-20's pro footballer that has never used his right foot. He is one of the high earners at the club, unbelievably, yet cant use both feet.. its pathetic, and sumat he should work on, its not like he's 33.
I went thru Wath Comps school teams, and Hoyland Falcons, and was coached to use both feet. I am predominantly a righty, but played LB or left wing, as I was comfortable on both feet. In fact, I scored more with my left, and did what Jacob does now, and took corners with both feet. So surely a player who made it as a pro - I didnt due to injury unfortunately, and would never have made it further than non-league tbh, I stopped growing at 17 and my knee went in a trial at Worsbro.
The point Im making, is that surely, a pro has the time to work on his game? He gets paid thousands, surely we dont just make em run around warming up, play 5 a side for half hour and send em home for the day?
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And your comment about womens football? Absolute tosh.
I think Kelly Smith and Faye White would fare well in the mens game. And many more no doubt, but I have only seen the odd England game so hard to say..
End of sermon

 

worst....analogy.....ever

 

However clumsy Hemsworth may have been in making his point

The fact remains that there are many, many football players who ply their trade at the highest level who are extremely uncomfortable when the ball is on their weaker foot. You say such players are in the wrong trade, yet some make £millions per annum playing football and are considered world class. From conference level football to international, football teams are filled with predominantly one footed players all making a living from the game.

There are relatively few players who are as comfortable on each foot like Jacob Butterfield. One or two in each team at the most. In all the years I've spent watching Barnsley Jacob Butterfield is the only player I have seen taking corners and freekicks with both feet.

 

Re: However clumsy Hemsworth may have been in making his point

I was just about to say something very similar. A recent England captain is a good example of this.

 

It baffles me why it's not coached out of them from an early age

I do all sorts with my u13's team to get them using both feet, during training games we'll play wrong foot only five a side or scoring with wrong foot will count double. All the training drills are based around using both feet because in a game you just don't have time to get it on your good foot every time and using both feet should come automatic.

With the vast sums and pressures involved I find it bizarre that these pro's go all the way through the academies and their pro careers without anyone trying to get them to use both feet.

 

Why should they give up?

They make a very decent living from the game.

You can argue all you like that players <i>should</i> be able to use both feet, but the reality of the situation is that they get by being predominantly one footed. Many of them do more than get by, they rise to the top and earn £millions.

The game has shown us that you don't have to have two good feet to play football at the highest level. If one foot is very good you can do very well.

 

Re: Why should they give up?

Beckham

 

Juan Sebastian Veron couldn't use his right foot to save his life, he used to contort his body into all sorts of shapes in order to avoid using it. Soccer am (I think) used to do a thing for young players saying "if anyone tells you that you need to use both feet, just look at Veron". And he did ok for himself. As did Beckham. In fact I'm hard pushed to think of that many players who are comfortable with both feet, not to any great extent. Butterfield is a real freak in that you cannot really tell what foot is his preffered.

Oh, and womens football is really, really poor. Sorry, but it is . . . .

 

Re: Why should they give up?

I'd give up if I was you fired, you are obviously talking to people who haven't played the game to the same standard as yourself.

 

Re: Why should they give up?

I agree with everything you are saying.
The fact that these players are getting away with only "having one foot" surely shows just how sh it and poor football has become!!!

 

Im sorry, but I dont know how this thread has ended up like it has. I, and others, never said all players should be ambidextrous... or that you cant be a great one-pegger. That would be idiotic.
Phil tried making excuses for JayMacs total inability to use his right foot. And I, and others, found those excuses laughable. The guy is what, 26 or sumat? And he is a well-paid pro. Surely, it is within his compass to work on his inferior right peg?
Dont get me wrong, if he was fantastic with his left, and it didnt affect his game, then fair enough. But he is never more than below average, and his inability to use his right foot is a massive reason.
But Phil says he is fine, a better player than Perkins and Done, so maybe I am seeing things.
Oh, and I agree with Jay on the corner-taking. You dont see many that take em with either peg. We all used to do it growing up. As I said earlier, we were coached/encouraged to. And perhaps thats a good point, maybe the time to do that, is during your formative years. Perhaps its too late for the likes of JayMac etc..?
I think by being able to play with either foot, it helped me get noticed as a kid. Just as it must have - on a grander scale - for young Jacob. Its certainly rare to see in league football, and Jacob is the only tarn laiker I remember to do it. Although I have seen the lad Lallana do it at Soton

 

Re: Why should they give up?

If being two-footed was so crucial, if all the best players, the most expensive players, the better paid players were two-footed, if the best teams in the world were filled with two-footed players then you can be damn sure that every professional player would make sure that they were equally comfortable with the ball on both feet.

But that isn't the reality of the situation. The fact is you can get to the very top and have one foot significantly better than the other. Teams can win honours fielding sides where many of the players are primarily one-footed.

You assert that being able to play with both feet is extremely important, but 120+ years of professional football has shown that is not the case. You can become the very best by predominantly using one foot. Consequently players choose to concentrate their efforts on the things that are important like fitness, speed, dribbling and passing, shooting and tackling with their favoured foot.

Being two footed is a good weapon to have in the armoury, but it is far from being the most important and an excellent one footed player will go a lot further in the game than a competent two footed player.

 

Re: Why should they give up?

Yes, and there are many more high profile examples in the game at the very highest level.

 

So concentrate on skill, women are easier to coach than men, they follow the coach's instructions better, if the right coaches were in place you could make women's football a proper spectator sport.