Sol Campbell Saying Football Is Racist

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  1. Sup

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    A load of balls from Sol as usual. There may or may not be something to the fact that there aren't many black managers but this story by Sol Campbell is nothing to do with that. It is the rantings of an idiot who thinks everything should be handed to him on a plate and if not he plays the race card (he has previous remember).

    Lets look at the key part of his story...

    Even after that, I still wanted to do something with the England setup, and they said they were interested, but the interest went cold.

    "Suddenly, Gary Neville pops up as assistant manager. It's obvious they want nice people who won't cause them any problems.

    So he's suprised that the FA didn't give him a job after he alienated the football authorities with his over the top, scaremongering, openly critical comments about UEFA and the Euro's? Really?

    That aside lets look at the real key point here. Sol Campbell has only just started training for his coaching badges after sitting on his arse waiting for the world to hand him a job for so long. He is unqualified. Gary Neville on the other hand hols Uefa A and B international coaching badges after he put the effort in and started training for them whilst he was still playing.

    So the story here isn't that the FA gave a job to a white man over a black man. It is that they gave the job to a hard working and fully qualified man rather than giving it to a lazy unqualified man who believes he should be given the job because of his name alone.

    By the way Bobby Hassell is a more qualified coach than Sol Campbell. Kind of puts it into perspective a little bit and explains why he hasn't been given a managers job.
     
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    But he's a ginger
     
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    Beat me to it. In fact aren't there more black manager's than ginger managers? I suppose you could describe David Moyes as auburn. But who was the last high profile ginger manager. Alan Ball?

    Lets look at the facts. Steve McClaren had to go abroad to get a job, forced out of the Englsh game for being a red. In fact he has only just found his way back in to management after Forest sacked him for being ginger. Gordan Strachan? Only got the job at Middlesborough because they had the controversial quota system that had previously led to the appointment of McClaren.

    Maybe its why Bobby Hassell bleaches his hair. There can't be any other reason for copying the lead singer of Erasure look
     
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    waiting with baited breath for Rio Ferdinand to weigh in with his usual ********
     
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    Football has always denied its latent, if not active, racism, it was only when smaller teams like of West Brom took advantage of the artificially low price afforded black players compared to their actual skill in the 1970's that football took notice and clubs were forced to follow suit. In 1973-74 of 39 teams sampled from the professional 92 only 2 had fielded any black players that season. By 1983-84 there were still 20 teams in the sample that didn't field a single black player in the season. By 1989 every single team had fielded a black player, the simply could no longer continue to ignore the data.
    That's because the players market is fairly efficient and transparent - you can see the end result on the pitch in plane view.
    When you can't see what people do, its very hard to assign a value to their work. Efficient markets punish discrimination in plain view of eveyone, and so discrimination tends to get rooted out. Inefficient markets, like when it comes to managers, can maintain discrimination almost indefinitely.
    Black players became accepted because the market in players is transparent. It's pretty obvious who can play and who can't. The market in players salaries is so efficient that it explains about 90 per cent of the variation in clubs league positions in the long run. Typically, the club with the best paid players finishes top, and the one with the worst-paid players finishes bottom. However the market for managers doesn't work nearly so well - if players salaries determine results almost by themselves then it follws that the vast majority of managers are not very relevant, and hence can be discriminated against.
     
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    Do they? certainly not lower down the league, and anyway the Premier league clubs don't appear to have any problem highering foreign managers do they? Just not black ones. Only Ruud Guillit and that French guy at Fulham, who's name escapes me, spring to mind as foreign black managers. From the British side I can only think of Chris Houghton. Lower down the league its just as bad.
     
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    Black players will go back home. For FFS half the England team is none white. Have you got one of those UKIP time Tardis that only go backwards in time...

    I am not a fan of Sol but football is clearly to a degree institutionally racist. Lack of 'black' managers lack of Asian British players, how many at the FA or from the Premier League hierarchy come from outside a very narrow social sphere.?
     
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    So football is racist but half the England squad is black? You'll have to explain that one to me.
     
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    Lack of Asian British players isn't due to racism, it's down to relative lack of young Asian footballers compared to cricketers for example. If you're Asian and good enough, you'll make it, just like Chopra has. Race has no bearing on making it as a player. Preference for other sports has.
     
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    Sol Campbell doesn't know his own mind never mind owt else.
     
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    Having played in London leagues for years I can confirm participation is high amongst young Asians there do seem to be barriers to translating this participation into professional players. Respected Asian footballers have commented on how they perceive the doors of professional football are more difficult to open than for other players.
     
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    Have you heard of the concept of the glass ceiling usually applied to women? An outmoded concept in some ways but useful in this context. Means you can be foot soldiers raise to a certain level but no further. Again how many at FA headquarters non white?
     
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    Football racist. Just need to sit on Ponty end and listen to those around me to confirm it.
     
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    A lot of football managers in the top divs are 50+ and played when not many black players did as apposed to today's %. So as time goes on, like it is now the % will alter.

    A lot of black players are from abroad, played in the Prem etc earning **** loads of £ and maybe don't need the £ as much the vast majority of white/English younger managers who are not usually high profile players!

    There's loads of reasons and arguments why the % is lower than you'd mathematically expect.

    I wish Sol (who openly denies been gay and got Spurs fans banned thro the courts for homophobic chanting) should concentrate on why the % of gay players is far less than that of black managers in comparison?!?

    Disclaimer - I'm neither homophobic or racist but do admit to been a devils advocate
     
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    If they're good enough they'll make it, I just can't believe that a talented player would be ignored because of his race. There are Asian players starting to break through in the game.
     
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