Stendel to return

what's he up to now? Didn't make much difference when he left imo.

 

Stendel didn’t get ‘found out’ in the championship. He lost half his team & they were replaced by kids with no championship experience.

I don’t know why people can’t see that when we have a big turnover in players it takes time for them to gel.

It’s happened a couple of times now. There was the summer 2017 window when we virtually replaced the full team apart from Davies & Bradshaw, then there was the summer of 2019 when Pinnock, Moore, Lindsay & Davies left plus a few others were pushed out (Cavare, Pinillos, McGeehan). The managers aren’t suddenly losing the plot or panicking because they’re in the championship. They can only make small difference. The biggest differences are made by the quality & experience of the players they have.

This ‘found out’ business is just lazy punditry. It’s like when you hear people say it about Warnock & McCarthy in the premier league. They don’t suddenly become bad managers when they go up a level. They’re just coaching one of if not the worst sides in the league & there’s only so much a manager can do.

If we start the new season with a new manager & on top of Dike we lose Mowatt & then a couple more of Helik, Anderson, Brittain, Styles & Woodrow we’ll struggle again. It won’t necessarily be because the managers poor it’ll be because we’re building a new team.

 

Don’t know , didn’t do too good at Huddersfield either really

 

To be honest I’ve never met anybody who looks back on Hecky’s time & thinks he was negative. Even when he was left with just Bradshaw, Ugbo & Thiam as his strikeforce he tried to play a front 2 a few times but there was no point because Ugbo & Thiam were nowhere near good enough. They’re still nowhere near good enough several years closer to their primes.

I don’t think even Guardiola or Klopp would’ve got an exciting strike force out of them 3. I thought he did an excellent job to have us out of the bottom 3 that season & with the signings of Moore & McBurnie we should have comfortably stayed up but Mr Believe came in & the rest is history.

I know you’ll disagree as you don’t rate the job he did here but I’ve always believed he was an excellent Barnsley manager & I don’t think it was just right place right time as just like our current manager he would have a knack for changing a game in our favour through his subs.

 

What are you on about, I was referring to Wilson, no way do I mention Stendel being too experienced & regarding your sarcastic reference to Wilder I would love the guy at Oakwell, he did a brilliant job with the Blades

 

Stendel and Heckingbottom are the two who were most affected by large scale changes and having to contend with a large influx of new players, many of which weren't suited to their systems, or had enough game time in their legs.

I think both did all they could in the circumstances. And although Stendel was asked a lot about the experience issue at each presser, and let his views leak out to some degree, Heckingbottom took it too far. He may not have been happy, but the tone and bitterness every weak wasn't good to see and if he hadn't gone to Leeds, I suspect he would have been sacked not long after. Though Struber seemed to take it to whole new levels again.

Fully agree with the main points before though about the huge amount of upheaval. It doesn't help anyone to have to rebuild so extensively. Hopefully those past 2 events are recent past and not for repeating... on the playing side at least.

 

It became obvious after conor was sold and he put his own stamp on things that his preffered formation was 451 we had Armstrong,Bradshaw and Watkins and he reverted to 1 up top he authorised signing all the midfielders that summer along with ugbo and thiam, Thiam always looked better as a winger rather than striker and ugbo was never good enough. He also played 1 up front at both Leeds and hibs.

We were dropping like a stone before he left leicester withdrew Harvey Barnes loan who had been our best player in the 1st half of the season and Joe Williams then got injured and went back who also had been decent. If he hadn't had gone leeds I think he would have took us down.

I do rate the job he did initially in getting us promoted taking over from Lee Jay. But he lost 3 players who would have gone for nothing 6 months later regardless, he changed the formation worked with the club to get in new recruits in and it went down hill from there. He had pinnock as 4th choice center back, played mowatt out of position then loaned him out. He made plenty of mistakes I wasn't a fan of him publicly slagging young players off to take the blame away from himself. And let's be honest he has had a awful time in management since leaving us.

 

Stendel had it worse than hecky imo, stendel had a key player sold in the middle of a promotion campaign (potts) thankfully jacob brown stepped up he then got us promoted had his top scorer and both key defenders sold and replaced with youth many hadn't played in the country before.
Hecky had winnall, conor and bree sold but all had 6 months left and were going to leave regardless at the end of season, he signed mowatt in the January then that summer spent the most any barnsley manager has spent in history along with some decent loans (joe williams Harvey barnes) but it didn't work.

 

This is why I dont get the hate for Jose Morais.

He came in febraury when the club was already doing awful and had no transfer window to try and turn it around.

Some people tend to totally blame the manager all the time and its often unfair

 

I think it was the fact that Morais was an outright nutcase who had zero pedigree that was the problem.

 

Miaow

 

I think Hecky and Daniel Stendel left as they had the rug pulled out from under their feet due to player sales which left them trying to keep the team in the championship despite the sale of
numerous key players . Morais was a poor choice even though the aide went down only in the last game of the season and he seemed out of touch with the players and situation the team was in. Steuber did a decent job in the time he was here but VI superceded them all by getting the squad into a top 5 position. I hope he stays but this is looking more and more unlikely. The club is at another crossroads with the possible departure of V Ismael,Dane Murphy and Alex Mowatt. Let's hope the board make the right choices in the coming days/weeks/monhs.

 

Heckys last 15 games- 11 points

Morais's 15 games- 13 points

The problem wasnt the head coach per sé

 

Well, employing him certainly didn't help our cause.

 

I just want Val to stay

 

Morais didnt relegate us.

Selling our whole 16/17 squad did.

 

But did hecky have the rug pulled?the 3 players he was most bitter about were going for 3 in 6.months time anyways as there contracts were due to expire we can't force players to sign new deals or keep them forever, at some point players leave. Winnall forced a move, conor was offered to be made the highest player in bfc history but he refused and allowed to move. Its sad but when players contracts are at a end or close they do tend to leave if they don't sign new deals.

 

Whole? That's like, everyone!

 

Bree, Roberts, Mawson, Yiadom

Watkins Scowen Hourihane

Winnall

All left within a year.

 

Val is ten times every manager we’ve had since Wilson.