Striker Quandary

I'll bet there's someone in WYorks who's loving this thread!

 

Sorry also meant to say - GIVE THE LAD SOME SUPPORT - he's earned that at least from his own fans.

 

The team has got to be picked on form and that means Payne starting next Saturday. Partner him up top with Bradshaw and the Ipswich defence will get absolutely battered.

 

I think the same but hopefully we are proved wrong. He's never been our quicket, strongest, best in the air ect player. He's not gonna bang them in regularly from outside the box like Hammill for example. He's like what Ruud was back in the day for Man United. Can look to be doing nothing all game, opposition think they have him under control and then after others do the donkey work he gets on the end of a ball and wins you the match.

If his finishing doesn't do it then he doesn't have much else in his game. We cannot be sentimental with what guys have done in past seasons. Staying up will be tough so Payne should start because he's been banging goals in. If we pick someone not in the best nick because they scored lots in the past few seasons and the form doesn't pick up we can find ourselved in the **** by the end of september.

 

Spot on

 

I agree with you there. Winnall for me has done a cracking job in the past couple of years and has scored loads of goals to deserve his chance at a higher level. I'm still not entirely convinced he'll make the step up though as he often doesn't offer a lot but goals, and he's not the greatest finisher I've ever seen. He must start the season, he's earned that right. Forget about pre season it's not worth anything, he and Bradshaw will start on Saturday and rightly so but then it's up to him to score goals, and if he doesn't he could soon live to regret rejecting a contract.


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I agree with that. People mention his goals per game ratio and I agree that's impressive. But if you look at his goals per chances ratio it's far less impressive. With slightly better finishing (headers for example) last season he could have hit 30-35 goals with the chances his team mates provided him with. At this level he will get far less chances so he's gotta take a greater amount of those he gets.

 

Absolutely.

Only a month ago were that song belting out at Wembley and against Wallsall.

To start picking at his game is a travesty

We have cried out for years for a 20 goals striker.

We've got one. Suddenly it's in question and I'm gobsmacked

 

I agree with you there, we won't get half as many good chances this season. However you can also argue that he's the one getting into those positions that most other players don't.


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I'm confused. I watched the full 90 minutes yesterday and of the two lads playing up front from kick off, it was Bradshaw who was the most ineffective. He didn't hold the ball up enough, he gave the ball away cheaply, often failing to link with midfield and didn't offer much of a threat in the opposing teams box.

I felt Winnall's finishing was poor again, he snatched at a couple. But he held the ball up well, he linked with midfield and had much more of an impact than his strike partner. So I'm confused to read a thread knocking him. Another one. There have been many. But it's been this way since he arrived two summers ago. Because as @threadstopper has pointed out already, Sam does have limitations. He isn't blessed with extreme pace or strength. He is a penalty box predator who can also pull out the odd worldy. He's a proven L1 and L2 goalscorer/striker. And all that is exactly how I'd describe Tom Bradshaw too, based on his career so far. We have to hope that at least one of them can prove themselves at this new level. But I'll remain optimistic about that, based on both of their careers to date, especially Sam's considering he's banged in 37 goals for us in two seasons, including a handful of strikes that will be forever remembered by this BFC supporter.

These have been friendlies. They are glorified fitness sessions. The lads look fit. Mawson and Lee looked leggy to me against Everton but in the matches since I think they've looked fitter, fresher. So job's a good un. Mission accomplished.

I've been impressed with Payne every time I've seen him and yesterday was no different. In friendly action.

I'd be looking to play one of Winnall or Bradshaw alongside Stefan at Ipswich. But I'm no coach. And so I look forward to Sam and Tom both grabbing a brace at Portman Road next weekend and reading threads on here suggesting both will be scoring 20 this season and folk demanding we get Sam signed up 'no matter the cost'. Because it's the BBS and it's mental.

 

Yes knowing where to be is one of his biggest strengths. Just needs to up his conversion rate with him likely getting much less chances against much better players.

 

Opinions eh. I thought his hold up and link play was awful yesterday. Agree that Bradshaw was also pretty ineffective but think he looked more dangerous than Sam. Watkins and Payne it is then!

 

Hold on a minute - only watched highlights but Payne missed a sitter when goalie stopped one he should not have had a chance with and his goal was exactly the opposite - goalie chucked it into the back of the net!

 

Just thought exactly the same thing. If Winnall had been the player in those instances there would have been some (one in particular) pillorying his finishing and saying he was lucky to score.
I have nothing against Payne and don't think Sam is untouchable but some of the comments are just daft. Plus Watkins....I really like Marley...he's a handful, works his socks off...but does anyone think he's a better goalscorer than Winnall? Seriously?