Stuart Pearce having another stormer

I like Stuart Pearce. One of my favourite moments in football was when he scored that penalty against Spain, and the reaction afterwards. And he was a brilliant player. Of course, that doesn't necessarily mean he'll be a great coach or manager, but I find it difficult to blame him for the current state of our under 21s.

The players he's got aren't good enough. The opposition are streets ahead in terms of skill and technical ability. I can't see how that is the fault of Stuart Pearce who sees these lads just a few weeks every year and has nothing to do with their development throughout the majority of their teenage years. That's down to the coaching they get at professional clubs and FA academies.

 

He's got England to a Semi final and a Final whilst manager of the u21's.

This problem with players isn't a new one but it's getting worse. When he first started maybe a Rooney might not play which ok isn't the best but he'll have played 40/45 times for Manchester United and England that season. He had 90% of the best players plus there.

Since then it's been getting worse and worse. 2011 he lost the battle with Arsenal over Wilshere when it looked likely he would play upto about February/ March time because Jack was saying publicly that he wanted to play.

This summers the worst though. We've got players that haven't played 20 times for the club sides (Jones, Rodwell to name two) but haven't gone to Israel to play for the u21's. There was enough time between the Brazil game and the two, three week tournament.

Pearce like many people will look at Spain, De Gea, Batra, Canales, Thiago, Tello, Isco, Muniain.
All those players a above are in and around the first teams of the club sides or regulars.

 

So England doesn't have the quality you say ?

 

If you don't have 10 plus players missing for a tournament then No, but I'm not sure any team would in any sport.

 

Which 10 were missing ?

 

Kyle Walker
Phil Jones
Chris smalling i think.
Luke Shaw
Raheem Sterling
Callum McManaman
Martin Kelly
Gary Gardner
Will Hughes
Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain
Jack Wilshere
Jack Rodwell
Danny Welbeck
Tom Carroll
Andros Townsend

You said 10, there's a little more but it can't hurt.

 

England could have gone

Butland
Walker Caluker Jones Shaw
Rodwell
Wilshere Henderson
Zaha OX
Welbeck

Steele
Kelly
Rose
chalobah
Sterling
Wickham
Sordell

 

So definitely no quality through the XI then.

 

There's lot of quality in the starting 11 and on the bench.

That middle three's very good. Rodwells been playing for city when he started at the end of the season. Same for Henderson.

 

Plodders.

Nothing potentially truly world class.

 

I know this is another topic but should playing for England in football be treated the same as Cricket? You sign a contract with a central body and your country comes first?

 

Premier League wouldn't even entertain that imho.

 

Squad from 2009-



# Pos. Player Date of birth (age) Caps Goals Club
1 GK Joe Hart 19 April 1987 (aged 22) 18 0 Manchester City
2 DF Martin Cranie 23 September 1986 (aged 22) 12 0 Portsmouth
3 MF Andrew Taylor 1 August 1986 (aged 22) 12 0 Middlesbrough
4 MF Lee Cattermole 21 March 1988 (aged 21) 10 1 Wigan Athletic
5 DF Richard Stearman 19 August 1987 (aged 21) 3 0 Wolverhampton Wanderers
6 DF Nedum Onuoha 12 November 1986 (aged 22) 18 1 Manchester City
7 MF James Milner 4 January 1986 (aged 23) 42 8 Aston Villa
8 MF Craig Gardner 27 November 1986 (aged 22) 11 2 Aston Villa
9 FW Gabriel Agbonlahor 13 October 1986 (aged 22) 13 5 Aston Villa
10 MF Mark Noble (c) 8 May 1987 (aged 22) 16 3 West Ham United
11 MF Adam Johnson 14 July 1987 (aged 21) 15 4 Middlesbrough
12 MF Fabrice Muamba 6 April 1988 (aged 21) 15 0 Bolton Wanderers
13 GK Joe Lewis 6 October 1987 (aged 21) 4 0 Peterborough United
14 FW Theo Walcott 16 March 1989 (aged 20) 15 6 Arsenal
15 MF Jack Rodwell 11 March 1991 (aged 18) 2 1 Everton
16 DF James Tomkins 29 March 1989 (aged 20) 1 0 West Ham United
17 MF Micah Richards 24 June 1988 (aged 20) 5 1 Manchester City
18 DF Michael Mancienne 8 January 1988 (aged 21) 12 1 Chelsea
19 DF Kieran Gibbs 26 September 1989 (aged 19) 3 2 Arsenal
20 MF Andrew Driver 20 November 1987 (aged 21) 0 0 Hearts
21 FW Fraizer Campbell 13 September 1987 (aged 21) 10 3 Manchester United
22 GK Scott Loach 27 May 1988 (aged 21) 3 0 Watford
23 DF Danny Rose 2 July 1990 (aged 18) 1 0 Tottenham Hotspur


Squad from 2013-

Name DOB Club Caps (goals)
Goalkeepers
Jack Butland 10 March 1993 (age 20) Stoke City 11 (0)
Jason Steele 18 August 1990 (age 22) Middlesbrough 7 (0)
Declan Rudd 16 January 1991 (age 22) Norwich City 1 (0)
Defenders
Danny Rose 2 July 1990 (age 22) Tottenham Hotspur 29 (3)
Craig Dawson 6 May 1990 (age 23) West Bromwich Albion 15 (6)
Adam Smith 29 April 1991 (age 22) Tottenham Hotspur 11 (0)
Steven Caulker 29 December 1991 (age 21) Tottenham Hotspur 10 (2)
Nathaniel Clyne 5 April 1991 (age 22) Southampton 8 (0)
Andre Wisdom 9 May 1993 (age 20) Liverpool 7 (0)
Tom Lees 18 November 1990 (age 22) Leeds United 6 (0)
Jack Robinson 1 September 1993 (age 19) Liverpool 5 (1)
Midfielders
Jordan Henderson 17 June 1990 (age 22) Liverpool 27 (4)
Henri Lansbury 12 October 1990 (age 22) Nottingham Forest 16 (5)
Josh McEachran 1 March 1993 (age 20) Chelsea 13 (1)
Jonjo Shelvey 27 February 1992 (age 21) Liverpool 12 (3)
Jason Lowe 2 September 1991 (age 21) Blackburn Rovers 11 (0)
Tom Ince 30 January 1992 (age 21) Blackpool 8 (2)
Nathaniel Chalobah 12 December 1994 (age 18) Watford (on loan from Chelsea) 7 (0)
Nathan Redmond 6 March 1994 (age 19) Birmingham City 3 (0)
Forwards
Nathan Delfouneso 2 February 1991 (age 22) Aston Villa 17 (4)
Connor Wickham 31 March 1993 (age 20) Sunderland 16 (5)
Marvin Sordell 17 February 1991 (age 22) Bolton Wanderers 14 (3)
Wilfried Zaha 11 October 1992 (age 20) Crystal Palace (on loan from Manchester United) 9 (1)


Big difference in calibre of player. The 2009 squad the vast majority are now established premier league players and were on the verge of breaking through in the respective teams.


The 2013 squad is lacking, regardless of injuries or calls to the seniors.

There is a large number of the squad who's only consistent game time is the championship or the reserves of their parent club.

And there's still £60m worth of transfer fees listed.

 

A bit rude that.

You can't just say youth footballs x.

It isn't. Some clubs play some good football. Barnsley been one.
Others like Middlesbrough I saw a couple of seasons ago at u18 didn't.

 

Amazing, coming from the most ignorant and rude individual.

Just admit England are a team that lacks footballing ability and we're miles behind. None of us want it to be that way but it is and youve been shown up by your heroes.

 

Looking through the 2013 squad and I think the future's looking pretty bleak. Not seen enough of Butland to judge so maybe, him, Wisdom & Caulker are the only one's I can see pushing on & playing for the senior's.

Danny Rose is a decent left back but can't see him getting in ahead of Baines, Gibbs or Shaw.